If a person wants the bloodstained runed hauberk bad enough there is no reason that person cant get a raid together. Just post on the server forum that you want to organize ZG runs. Go do snake first and do bloodlord after that do what you have time for but those can be pugged very easy so even if your raid has no interest in ZG(shouldnt happen cause the enchants are still the best out there till people are killing sapphiron). You can easily get those 2 bosses down in an hours time. If you are motivated enough you can do it.

And I have to question why a warrior isnt willing to put work in to get stuff appropriate for their class. Honestly if a warrior is going to be grabbing leather items I might as well get another rogue. Their benefit of being able to take a few shots without getting destroyed is lost. You asked what you should do cause your raid doesnt have the time to spend in ZG getting you the chest off the snake and I told you what you can do. Heck I dont think warriors should be going after mail even but it is better then leather.

the logic is that the snake chest piece is available to warriors, but not druids, it's attainable by 15 people and not 40, it takes 10 minutes to clear to the boss instead of two hours, and you get 2 shots at it per week instead of 1.

Where's the logic in giving malfurions chest to a warrior, when 2 weeks later they'll ditch it for the skeram chest, a couple months after that for the Conquerer's chest, and a couple months after that for the Thaddius chest?

Back when MC was the only instance out there, there was a real shortage of DPS plate. But that's no longer the case. We have a lot of options, and a lot of very well itemized options.

Oh, and brutality blade is > corehound tooth. BB is basically the best available OH until the pugio.

Due to the presence of the Rhok and the way hunter mechanics and aimed shot and stuff are, its rather stupid to give something like a Striker's Mark to them. But if the Rhok didn't exist hunters would probably go after many of the epic ranged weapons warriors go after.

oh yeah, the friggen Skeram chest. Just get your damn guild to spend half an hour killing Skeram. If you can get to Nef, you can kill Skeram, and that chest piece is sick.

Believe me, I wouldn't have a problem if I knew we were going to be killing skeram in 2 weeks. I think it's going to take us a bit longer on Nef(we JUST killed chromaggus this weekend), and then a bit longer to fit in regular AQ40 raids.

And this isn't soley about loot priority. As I said, we don't allow our druids to dps. So, it would have been the same if Ebonroc dropped just a rejuvenating gem and nothing else. I don't like having my time wasted so upgrades that could clearly help other people are being totally wasted. Who know, maybe in the 2+ months it takes for another BP to drop, that extra dps on a warrior would be been the difference in killing Nef.

BB may be the best stat wise(CTS or EoC might be equal), but I'd want something with a bit more STA. I'm dieing WAY too much to lab packs these days.

Nonsense... Any tank who isn't tanking's primary role is DPS - which means most of the time most tank's have a primary role of doing DPS... some almost fulltime minus 1-2 bosses. You're making a blanket statement that is clearly fight dependant.

How many fights are you better off having your druids in feral over a rogue instead of healing... C'Thun phase 2?

I dont understand why guilds abandon spending 30-60 mins to do a boss that gives alot of nice warrior gear just cause they haven't killed nef. Figure out a day that is light. Maybe create a day that is like nef attempts, first 2 bosses in MC and prophet skeram. Maybe it is just me but I try to keep my raid from spending more than 3 hours wiping on anything and those other 2 things would be 2 hours max and that is including travel. But maybe 5 hours is too much for people. That being said that gear from skeram will make other fights easier.

oh the irony. the delicious, delicious irony.

well now we are getting into symantecs here. I realize that if a warrior is not tanking they are DPSing but if you are lacking warriors and all the warriors you have in the raid happen to be arms/fury warriors are you going to have them all DPSing or are some of them going to be tanking? I believe that each class has a primary role and multiple secondary roles and that the game was designed around that. Ofcourse there are certain fights where those secondary roles are handy and that is where you use your specialists but classes have 1 primary role imo. Please dont think I am saying that people cant use the secondary roles or arent useful in them I just feel they are secondary. If you look at warriors versus rogues in melee DPS rogues if gear and skill is equal the rogue should always come out ahead. Warrior DPS is useful for their survivability but that comes back to warriors primary roles as tanks. You start gearing warriors in leather and they become pretty worthless imo.

This is exactly what I mean. Everyone makes these blanket statements. There's situations(drakes and chromaggus) where I can beat rogues of equal skill and gear(probably better gear). In cases like this, you can't just write off leather gear to the druids that rogues don't want. I mean, if we're all hopped up on alternatives that I could go get instead of taking this leather BP, why not try this example? These same feral druids that have priority in my guild on the BP, also are trying to argue for priority on Boots of the Shadow Flame. Obviously, the rogue have alternatives of NS and BF boots, but in this case, the alternatives are worse, just like my plate BP alternatives right now are worse. So what would you do? Give it to the rogues or give it to the druids first?