Especially if you don't have a Barb in the first place.

:angry:

Sure, you can exceed the hit cap with other gear, but once you are over that cap you can start maximizing your dps by replacing some of it with non +hit gear.

Maybe on future weapons this will come into play more with +2 and some more stats on dw etc. I don't know how much +skill is weighed, but the eye of nerub comes nowhere close to my dw set. Don't forget how much hit is on the cs set to begin with.

http://ctprofiles.net/1216787

Pretty fair assumption of post-naxx hunter-gear I'd say (replace Kingsfall with whatever).

That's +9hit with gear, and a dw combo that beats the crap out of Eye of Nerub.

Do the calculations for crit DPS at that AP, and then relook at your rings. I'm fairly sure you would get more sustained DPS from DFT(read: Seal of the Dawn), the Cryptstalker ring and the Band of Reanimation. Switching it out you're looking at 56(81) AP + 64AGI, or 184(204w/LR)AP + 1% crit vs 92AP + 3% crit. the extra 92(112)AP would make up for the 2%(1.5 w/ LR) crit you would lose, and you would keep the ability to feign in the Kiss when necessary.

Eh... Crypstalker ring+Reanimation equals a flat 64agi which is equal to 128RAP and ~1.2 crit.(52.8agi = 1crit). Where as my selection gives you 92RAP 2crit and the crucial last 1% hit. The difference isn't great between the rings, but I value crit higher especially when looking at 6/9 tier3 and the talent "Mortal Shots".

Trinketswapping as a hunter. I just chose to have those two there, since I didn't make the profile so that it would fit a specific instance... you would ofc. switch them as you saw fit. :)

After parsing my dps for the last few weeks, i have noticed that with 9% tohit, i still miss .5% of the time. So my question is, is the number hunters want to go for 9% or 8%?

An Alliance LR hunter can reliably count on +27.5% Agility from his items, and when you start running numbers that way, you find more Agi items become worthwhile. That's 76.5 Agi on the Eye of Nerub, or 153 RAP and 1.63 crit. So until you can talk those rogues outta kingsfall... Too bad there's so many +1 crit +1 tohit crummy items in Naxx!

For mobs above your skill level, you get a ramping tohit penalty, it is not linear. You'd have to test it practically nekkid, but I'm pretty sure that for mobs 1 effective level above you and below, +1 skill = +.04 tohit and crit. At 2 effective levels you are getting a large fraction of a percent tohit penalty, at 3 effective levels, that's more than a whole percent... So how skill affects your tohit gets inflated for mobs considerably above your level. Remember that when you go farming mobs +5 levels in the expac! Something that epic hunters should find fairly doable, heheheh.

Barbed Choker is just a placeholder for me, again I want crit and ap, and the neck from kel gives 26ap and 2% crit :o

As alliance I would probably spec LR even with current attainable gear. Full Striker's, gloves of devastation, ring from C'thun, 34 agi ring from naxx, barb of the sandreaver etc. And it's a wishlist. I know damn well I'm not gonna get Kingsfall :P

I have a quick question that is a little off-topic, but I didn't think was worth it's own thread.

Does Tranq. shot have a projectile travel time? Is it applied instantly when you cast it, or is it not applied until the arrow actually visually gets to the target? Will having hunters stand at 10 yards away get frenzy removed quicker than if they were all standing at 40 yards?

I was under the impression that projectile travel time mattered and that casting Tranq. Shot from 10 yards could get frenzy off a bit faster than casting from 40 yards away. If this correct or does it dispell instantly, and the visual animation is just there to look pretty?

Minimum firing range = 8 yards.
It can make a difference, especially if the tranq fails or misses and you're short on hunters.
The "Miss" broadcast isn't done until the projectile has arrived at the target, so if you're not double tranqing, you might have the mob frenzied for a while if you're unlucky.
Generally, if it's safe to stay at ~8 yards while tranqing, do so.

As a troll with a bow, I can provide anecdotal evidence that 8% is the number. That's in keeping with the information in your post. I always suspected my +5 bows was about 1% hit, but now someone else has done the math! thanks!

http://ctprofiles.net/640074

I'd say this is the perfect gear dps-wise.

It looks good, but Eye of Nerub doesn't do better in spreadsheets than DWing AP/crit weapons, considering the weapon skill isn't doing much for you (you already have more than 9% to hit).

Why an eye of Nerub? Even though Kingsfall is an unrealistic goal, an HSB+SC combo is still better than Eye of Nerub.

A really good thread concerning melee weapons and maximizing ranged DPS: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...=1#post1303963

In the end, if you're maxed out on +hit, Eye of Nerub really isn't that good for ranged DPS. It's good for stamina, but like Steelfleece said, if you already have BotSR, why bother?

Interesting to note also is the itemization value of +skill for ranged weapons. I don't know if this is correct, but it should be, following the formula for most other values and items. Eye of Nerub is ilvl 83. 83x1.64+11.2x100% = 147.32 ItemValue.

(147.32x100)^1.5 = 1788103

Now let's take out the values for agility and stamina.

1788103 - (230x45)^1.5 - (230x22)^1.5 = 375210 points for just weapon skill.

I would assume that they would be identical, at least for weapon skill of the same type, considering these are all ranged weapons.

375210/3 = 125070

125070^(2/3) = 2500

2500/4 = 625

If this is correct, and +hit is valued at 2200 and +crit is 3200, then going along with your values Lactose, .24x4 = .96 hit x 2200 = 2112 points + .04x4x3200 = 2112 + 512 = 2624.

This is quite interesting, because if these values are correct, +weapon skill is actually more effective than its itemization value, as long as you still need +hit.

The cloak in my setup is better than Fallen God. Eye of Nerub SUCKS for raiddps, the dw combo I posted gives better raid dps (and even with Kingsfall being unlikely Hatchet and Claw is still better). I really don't like the tier3 ring, it's not as good as the ring from loatheb, and imo the qiraji ring beats reanimation. As for trinkets: Switch around. I just added the two that looked most sexy for Rapidfire+quickshots burstfests! :P

My personal wish list. Might change the CS ring for Loatheb's ring. Add in necklace of Kel'Thuzad. A bit unrealistic still, but meh.
http://ctprofiles.net/160297

52.7agi to one crit, right?

Ring of Qiraji fury gives: 40ap, 1crit and 12stamina
Reanimation gives: 68ap, ~0.65crit and 0stamina

I'd take 0.35 crit and 12 stamina over 28ap any day - but maybe I value crit too high...

With current spec and gear, I value 1% crit pretty equal to 12-13 agility or 33-34 RAP. Changes slightly with improved gear, but not all that much.

Yeah, I did. I seem to have had my results eaten by invading (and very rampant) penguins or something though.
In other words, I don't have the exact results at hand, but more testing did show both hit and crit values closer to the theorized values (0.24% and 0.04% crit respectively per skill), so that's what I'm using in my own stuff.