Hunter Talent Build

Verbal · 07/10/06, 7:10 AM

I've been talking to the other hunters in my guild and tring to figure out the best raiding spec. Most of them are speced 0/21/30 and only care about crits and pvp so they were not much help. :(

I'm curently using this build http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...05002110000000

With the 15 points in the Survival Tree should I be maxing out the Survivalist Talent and getting the 10% increase to HPs?

I don't find myself dying much but I also don't use my traps much either.

Or would I be better off going for a 20/31/0 build and forgot about the slaying talents all together?

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

I use my pet any time I can and his added dps is a nice bonus but that being said pets can't always be used.

Cheers

icetrain · 07/10/06, 7:24 AM

I use a 14/31/6 build which works out quite nicely, you get all the talents that add to raid damage while still buffing your pet which is nice for solo play.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

Elendril · 07/10/06, 7:33 AM

my build is http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...110000000#none, which gets you every meaningful DPS talent along with max survivalist and 4/5 entrapment. i've considered losing 1 point in survivalist for deterrance, but i like having tons of health for environmental damage.

Farstrider · 07/10/06, 7:39 AM

Originally Posted by Elendril

my build is http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...110000000#none, which gets you every meaningful DPS talent along with max survivalist and 4/5 entrapment. i've considered losing 1 point in survivalist for deterrance, but i like having tons of health for environmental damage.

I think u might have botched that one - that build looks like it's only got 1/5 survivalist.

And on a seperate note what do people think of putting 2 points in imp serpent sting vs improved concussive shot?

Elendril · 07/10/06, 8:01 AM

Originally Posted by Farstrider

Originally Posted by Elendril

my build is http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...110000000#none, which gets you every meaningful DPS talent along with max survivalist and 4/5 entrapment. i've considered losing 1 point in survivalist for deterrance, but i like having tons of health for environmental damage.

I think u might have botched that one - that build looks like it's only got 1/5 survivalist.

And on a seperate note what do people think of putting 2 points in imp serpent sting vs improved concussive shot?

hmm. weird. dunno why that didn't work. anyway, i have the basic 31 marks - 5/5 efficiency 2/5 imp conc (though imp sting doesn't sound terrible for a pure raid build), 5 IAotH, and maxed slayings, 4/5 entrapment, and 5/5 survivalist.

Umph · 07/10/06, 8:44 AM

Originally Posted by Elendril

... (though imp sting doesn't sound terrible for a pure raid build) ...

You need to put a point in either Imp Arcane Shot, Imp Concussive Shot, or Imp Mark to get to Imp Serpent Sting :(.

Verbal · 07/10/06, 8:47 AM

Touche Icetrain, if I was going to put any points in the BM tree your build is better than the one I put up. Keeping the slaying talents is a wise choice.

I guess having clever traps isn't really useful for raids and having 10% more health would benefit for those times when you get hit by splash damage. I only took detereence because hunters in my guild swear by it but I guess I'm a fool to listlen to pvp hunters. I rarely use detereence but it's because I forget about having it most times since my last spec didn't have it. Does anyone find detereence useful for someone that just raids?

Thanks for your advice guys.

james · 07/10/06, 8:51 AM

On a completely unrelated note, why do so few hunters have wolves :( Furious howl is pretty nice for a melee party and certainly has a place on quite a few fights.

Verbal · 07/10/06, 9:05 AM

Dunno James. :(

If my pet isn't attacking something it's howling ever 10seconds on my aimed shot right by my side. :)

Grimmarg · 07/10/06, 11:47 AM

I would never go without deterrence, for ANYTHING. I just love that talent so much. If you're offpulling a boss/add and the tank misses his first hit(s) or taunt is resisted, or what have you, deterrence is a LIFESAVER.

I use a standard 5/31/15 build with 4/5 survivalist and 1/1 deterrence.

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/ba...00220410000000

I don't really care much for the entrapment talents, savage strikes and improved wing clip are more to my taste. :)

But anyway - for the best damage spec for PvE 31 MM and the slayertalents are a MUST.

Farstrider · 07/10/06, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Grimmarg

But anyway - for the best damage spec for PvE 31 MM and the slayertalents are a MUST.

Am I being really stupid - why do you need the humanoid one? Undead don't count as humanoids do they?

If you're never going to PvP, that's 3 wasted points straight away surely?

Starks · 07/10/06, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Farstrider

Originally Posted by Grimmarg

But anyway - for the best damage spec for PvE 31 MM and the slayertalents are a MUST.

Am I being really stupid - why do you need the humanoid one? Undead don't count as humanoids do they?

If you're never going to PvP, that's 3 wasted points straight away surely?

Yeah, undead don't count, but I wouldn't quite call it a waste since there are still humanoid bosses.

• Lurchington · 07/10/06, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Farstrider

Originally Posted by Grimmarg

But anyway - for the best damage spec for PvE 31 MM and the slayertalents are a MUST.

Am I being really stupid - why do you need the humanoid one? Undead don't count as humanoids do they?

If you're never going to PvP, that's 3 wasted points straight away surely?

I've heard conflicting information, but does humanoid slaying actually affect PVP targets?

Grimmarg · 07/10/06, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Farstrider

Originally Posted by Grimmarg

But anyway - for the best damage spec for PvE 31 MM and the slayertalents are a MUST.

Am I being really stupid - why do you need the humanoid one? Undead don't count as humanoids do they?

If you're never going to PvP, that's 3 wasted points straight away surely?

Spiderwing mobs are beasts...

and well... where else would you put those three points? Do you see any other place to put them that would beenfit you PvE wise? I surely can't. :o

Farstrider · 07/10/06, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Grimmarg

and well... where else would you put those three points? Do you see any other place to put them that would beenfit you PvE wise? I surely can't. :o

well after having been an affirmed BM tree sceptic I'm now tempted to whack a few points in there to increase my pet's dps a little. Every little helps after all.

• Tibor · 07/10/06, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Farstrider

Originally Posted by Grimmarg

and well... where else would you put those three points? Do you see any other place to put them that would beenfit you PvE wise? I surely can't. :o

well after having been an affirmed BM tree sceptic I'm now tempted to whack a few points in there to increase my pet's dps a little. Every little helps after all.

I think his point is you need two points in that first tier on the Survival tree, and Humanoid Slaying is a better PvE candidate than Deflection.

Grimmarg · 07/10/06, 1:35 PM

Originally Posted by Bogart

Originally Posted by Farstrider

Originally Posted by Grimmarg

and well... where else would you put those three points? Do you see any other place to put them that would beenfit you PvE wise? I surely can't. :o

well after having been an affirmed BM tree sceptic I'm now tempted to whack a few points in there to increase my pet's dps a little. Every little helps after all.

I think his point is you need two points in that first tier on the Survival tree, and Humanoid Slaying is a better PvE candidate than Deflection.

Exactly - I was just trying to be a smartass, sorry. :)

Huntemup · 07/10/06, 1:42 PM

Outside of ZG, I can't remember the last boss that I killed that was considered Humanoid. More of a PvP talent IMHO, and not a really great one at that.

I personally find that anything that increases my survivability is more valuable than one that gives me that last little edge on DPS. With bosses and trash hitting harder and harder, I am starting to prefer things like deflection's damage avoidance over the extra hp from Survivalist. This may change in Naxx, if the AoE dmg scales up tremendously, but currently 5% dmg avoidance is greater than the 400hp gain from Survivalist. It feels really nice to dodge/parry a special attack on the pull that you know would have hit for 3k+ . And FD>Explosive trapping with detterance and high dodge/parry can save your mages a significant amount of dmg while AoEing, at least for a little bit.

Course, I'm also Rank 10, and enjoy the pvp side of the game as well.

Current talent build for those who are curious. http://ctprofiles.net/403122

Elendril · 07/10/06, 2:19 PM

Originally Posted by Farstrider

Originally Posted by Grimmarg

But anyway - for the best damage spec for PvE 31 MM and the slayertalents are a MUST.

Am I being really stupid - why do you need the humanoid one? Undead don't count as humanoids do they?

If you're never going to PvP, that's 3 wasted points straight away surely?

grand widow faerlina is humanoid.

lots of BWL trash mobs.

lots of naxx trash mobs.

etc.

Fendryl · 07/10/06, 2:48 PM

I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned improved feign. Especially when you're learning new encounters, this has saved me more gold than I care to imagine. I had recently switched over to 5/31/15 to see the difference in damage from my old 21/30 build and even though I didn't notice a big damage difference, I did notice the numerous resisted feigns. I've since switched to 3/31/17 though I'm still considering going back to survival.

Gonkish · 07/10/06, 3:20 PM

5/31/15 is what I'm currently at. You can check the exact build in my ctprofiles link in my sig.

I tend to like both 3/3 Monster and 3/3 Humanoid slaying. I like big numbers.

As stated, 31 marks is best for PvE, while 30 Survival (since who the hell gives up scatter shot for anything?) is probably best for PvP, but also does well in PvE. I generally think Entrapment is kind of a waste outside of PvP, but I enjoy stuff like Imp. Wing Clip (though not 5 points in it), Survivalist, and Deterrence (Deterrence is probably the single best talent in the survival tree, aside from LR).

I generally like the marksman tree, especially RWS. Barrage is quite nice, but the only real reason to get it is to get to TSA (and if you're that deep in the tree, why not?). RWS, is, I think, probably the best passive talent we get. It's definitely comparable to LR. What you lose in crit from not having LR, you gain in net damage dealt with everything else. Such an awesome talent, though it may not seem to be all that huge from the description.

• Tibor · 07/10/06, 4:17 PM

Isn't there a point with buffed Agility where KI/LR (0/21/30) provides a larger pure RAP buff than TSA/RWS (0/31/20)? Something like 365 Agi. Then there's a later itemisation point where you have enough +hit in gear to dump Surefooted in favour of balls-out 5/31/15. Is that about right? I'm one Essence of Air from breaking that supposed Agi threshold (my raidgroup epitomises that head-in-hands ASCII), and I want to know if a respec is in my near future.

ex-sheepy · 07/10/06, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by Elendril

my build is http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...110000000#none, which gets you every meaningful DPS talent along with max survivalist and 4/5 entrapment. i've considered losing 1 point in survivalist for deterrance, but i like having tons of health for environmental damage.

that one point in deterrence is going to save your life much more than 2% health

Grimmarg · 07/10/06, 4:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bogart

Isn't there a point with buffed Agility where KI/LR (0/21/30) provides a larger pure RAP buff than TSA/RWS (0/31/20)? Something like 365 Agi. Then there's a later itemisation point where you have enough +hit in gear to dump Surefooted in favour of balls-out 5/31/15. Is that about right? I'm one Essence of Air from breaking that supposed Agi threshold (my raidgroup epitomises that head-in-hands ASCII), and I want to know if a respec is in my near future.

As far as I know 31MM will always be superior.

Huntemup · 07/10/06, 4:57 PM

Deterance is great for both PvE and PvP, definately worth the trade of 2% health.

The sartura fight is actually one of the fights that helped convince me that dmg avoidance is > than the extra hps from Survivalist. I run AoM untill all the adds are down, and usually pop detterance at some point as well.

The pre-Emps and pre-Cthun trash also makes me a big fan of it. When a tank gets feared on the MindSlayer packs, I almost always wind up tanking something that hits like a truck. Feigning is always an option, but it is usually best for you to keep the agro and deterance tank, rather than feigning early and letting it rampage through cloth.

And Fankriss' tunnel is a ton of fun with FD>Explosive trap and Monkey/Deterance. The dodge/parry spam from SCT is pretty rediculous.