I've been talking to the other hunters in my guild and tring to figure out the best raiding spec. Most of them are speced 0/21/30 and only care about crits and pvp so they were not much help. :(

I'm curently using this build http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...05002110000000

With the 15 points in the Survival Tree should I be maxing out the Survivalist Talent and getting the 10% increase to HPs?

I don't find myself dying much but I also don't use my traps much either.

Or would I be better off going for a 20/31/0 build and forgot about the slaying talents all together?

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

I use my pet any time I can and his added dps is a nice bonus but that being said pets can't always be used.

Cheers

my build is http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...110000000#none, which gets you every meaningful DPS talent along with max survivalist and 4/5 entrapment. i've considered losing 1 point in survivalist for deterrance, but i like having tons of health for environmental damage.

I think u might have botched that one - that build looks like it's only got 1/5 survivalist.

And on a seperate note what do people think of putting 2 points in imp serpent sting vs improved concussive shot?

hmm. weird. dunno why that didn't work. anyway, i have the basic 31 marks - 5/5 efficiency 2/5 imp conc (though imp sting doesn't sound terrible for a pure raid build), 5 IAotH, and maxed slayings, 4/5 entrapment, and 5/5 survivalist.

Touche Icetrain, if I was going to put any points in the BM tree your build is better than the one I put up. Keeping the slaying talents is a wise choice.

I guess having clever traps isn't really useful for raids and having 10% more health would benefit for those times when you get hit by splash damage. I only took detereence because hunters in my guild swear by it but I guess I'm a fool to listlen to pvp hunters. I rarely use detereence but it's because I forget about having it most times since my last spec didn't have it. Does anyone find detereence useful for someone that just raids?

Thanks for your advice guys.

On a completely unrelated note, why do so few hunters have wolves :( Furious howl is pretty nice for a melee party and certainly has a place on quite a few fights.

Dunno James. :(

If my pet isn't attacking something it's howling ever 10seconds on my aimed shot right by my side. :)

Am I being really stupid - why do you need the humanoid one? Undead don't count as humanoids do they?

If you're never going to PvP, that's 3 wasted points straight away surely?

Yeah, undead don't count, but I wouldn't quite call it a waste since there are still humanoid bosses.

I've heard conflicting information, but does humanoid slaying actually affect PVP targets?

well after having been an affirmed BM tree sceptic I'm now tempted to whack a few points in there to increase my pet's dps a little. Every little helps after all.