Glancing Blows vs. 61s and 62s

chalon · 07/12/06, 1:46 AM

So, of course we know that against level 63s you have a 40% chance of a white attack being a glancing blow, which does 70% the damage of a normal white attack with 300 weapon skill. This has been extensively tested and proven.

What I'm interested in is if anyone has the empirical data for how glancing blows work vs. level 61s and level 62s.

Specifically:
1. At 300 skill, how frequently do we glance vs. level 61s and 62s?
2. At 300 skill, how much of a damage reduction do glancing blows vs. 61s and 62s result in?
3. How much skill do you need to make glances be 100% of white damage vs. 61s and 62s?

If anyone has actual test data on this, it would be much appreciated. If no one has the data, maybe someone can go out and test? ;)

Wodahs · 07/12/06, 1:57 AM

Well, at 300 skill vs a lvl 60 mob I ran 24% glancing blows, on roughly 4000 swings. My dmg lost to glancing blows, was 0.4% however, my melee hit and glancing blow hits were for all purposes identical, per Bleedo's tool. I know its not quite what you were asking, but its the only data I have.

Kalman · 07/12/06, 2:14 AM

Were these Silithus 60s?

Because I don't think anything in Silithus has 'standard' defense.

chalon · 07/12/06, 8:56 PM

Yeah, I don't know why you would be glancing against 60s, that's kind of odd.

Kalman · 07/12/06, 8:59 PM

The L60 bugs in Silithus generate glancing blows, and the last time I did a Twilight-only parse of my crit rate over a farming session, my crit and hit rates were lower than expected (and lower than statistics would predict to be likely, at all).

sp00n · 10/09/06, 8:53 AM

Time to revive this thread I think.
In another forum someone mentioned that he believes that elites have an additional +15 defense and that this would explain the glancing blows.

So I went out testing it.
I know that the bugs in Silithus have additional defense, therefore I wanted to test it on mobs that are longer in the game and I went to the elite dragons in the right corner of Wetlands (Scalebane Lieutenant).
Though I only made 323 swings, I noticed around ~9% glancing blows on level 60 elite mobs.
This was my combat table

MISS      23     7,121%
DODGE      6     1,858%
PARRY      8     2,477%
BLOCK     89    27,554%
GLANCING  29     8,978%
CRIT      81    25,077%
HIT       87    26,935%
----------------------
         323       100%

Note the very high block rate, these mobs seem to have shield block, effectively reducing my crit rate by a good 7%.

(Then I went on and checked if I had any glancing blows on level 59 elites; there were none.)

Now, if there are glancing blows against level 60 elite mobs, that supports the theory that elites have an additional # of defense.
What I am interested in: have there been any other findings?
- Do elites in instances also have additional defense? Or is there a difference between "world" elites and instance elites besides the massive HP upgrade?
- Does somebody have a combatlog for a 60 elite in an instance?
- What is the formula for glancing blows? The old one seems obsolete, at least for the chance for a glancing blow.

Mazz · 10/09/06, 10:08 AM

Sadly I do not have a combat log to include as proof, but I do remember getting glancing blows on orcs in UBRS after Rend (The shieldwearing variety, also seem to have some sort of shieldwall ability)

Kalman · 10/09/06, 10:48 AM

If you install WitchHunt, it actually picks up triggers for mobs casting Shield Block (amongst other things, like a cast even during Gothik labeled: Naxxramas Military Wing Sub-boss: Check Spectral Side).

I know zagzil has said before that a lot of the older world elite mobs (moreso mobs like Teremus) have "odd" crush/crit/glance rates.

darchon · 10/09/06, 10:53 AM

I remember getting glancings against the frost giants north in winterspring, and these arent even 60. +15defense on elites would explain that.

corpsesmashkill · 10/09/06, 2:34 PM

http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Weapon_Skill

your skill mob def skill Glance chance damage reduction
300 305 10% 0%
300 310 25% 15%
300 315 40% 30%

Kalman · 10/09/06, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by corpsesmashkill

http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Weapon_Skill

your skill mob def skill Glance chance damage reduction
300 305 10% 0%
300 310 25% 15%
300 315 40% 30%

Quoting WoWwiki, which is known to have flaws in its understanding of mechanics, is not a good way to look smart around here.

Neither is actively attempting to avoid filling out your profile.

Emeraude · 10/09/06, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by Kalman

Originally Posted by corpsesmashkill

http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Weapon_Skill

your skill mob def skill Glance chance damage reduction
300 305 10% 0%
300 310 25% 15%
300 315 40% 30%

Quoting WoWwiki, which is known to have flaws in its understanding of mechanics, is not a good way to look smart around here.

Neither is actively attempting to avoid filling out your profile.

Are you kidding? People who quote wowwiki are certified combat mechanic masters!

Watch as they prove with their quotes it's not possible to miss with 6% hit and a 2-hander.

Krag · 10/09/06, 5:59 PM

Originally Posted by Kalman

The L60 bugs in Silithus generate glancing blows, and the last time I did a Twilight-only parse of my crit rate over a farming session, my crit and hit rates were lower than expected (and lower than statistics would predict to be likely, at all).

The twilighters most definitely have added defense even though they are not elite. You can go to the camp near Twilight Run and kill the Twilight Overlords and Masters, most of those are level 60 and generate glancing blows.

10/9 23:46:32.921 You hit Twilight Overlord for 276. (glancing)
10/9 23:46:41.250 You hit Twilight Overlord for 105. (glancing)
10/9 23:46:44.062 You hit Twilight Overlord for 288. (glancing)

(Level 60 troll warrior alt using axes with 300 skill)

There are some level 60 Twilight Geolords around too at the other camps which are level 60 and generate glancing blows though their level 59 counterparts doesn't - don't know if you can conclude anything about the +def amount by that though.

corpsesmashkill · 10/11/06, 6:36 PM

I was not trying to appear smart. I was simply offering information and quoting the source. I understand that wowwikki is not the absolute authority on all matters of WoW, but it does have a lot of accurate info. In particular the glancing blow formulas on wowwikki have been accurate in my experience.

I have also experienced glancing blows on level 60 mobs in silithus, elite and non, but the damage reduction has always been 0%; or close to it, without extensive data it's hard to know for certain there isn't a small amount of reduction considering my large damage range.

sp00n, it is possible that the table I posted explains your findings, IF those particular mobs have 305 defense skill AND your glancing blows did not have any reduced damage.

krucifix85 · 10/11/06, 10:16 PM

As a side question. Is there a 1h weapon in the game, that has a damage range of only 1-2? (i.e 90-91 damage).

This could cut down the amount of time needed to work out %'age reductions on the glancing blows.