Murder was changed back to 1/2 to the many types.

Damn necro's.

I feel that aggro concerns would keep me from being able to use adrenaline rush early enough in a given fight that I could get it off a second time before the end in many fights, as one key concern.

Another thing is that I tend to not keep track of cooldowns very well, and would probably not use Adrenaline Rush as often as it was up.

Also, losing the point in ruthlessness throws me for a curve, as I get a happy little christmassy feeling whenever it happens to proc. I'd like to get that feeling more often.

Anyway, it's a personal preference, and, while I'd probably be willing to admit that 15/31/5 is the superior raiding spec, it's not the one that would, likely, work out well for me.

Har funny this post came back up since it became obsolete with the second rogue talent review.

That said 15/31/5 will be the way to go for combat daggers; AR with all the fixins.

Damn you thread necromancy. I wrote a "What the fuck why would you ever go 10 points into Subtlety now" reply and then read Utgar's last post =P

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=y0xfoxZMIV0bEz0bZVM
Is going to be my spec post-patch, I had AR when I was sword spec and I didn't care for it much.

Nah. Imp Evisc seems to be the winner - going away from 3/3 Ruth 3/3 Imp SnD in the second tier loses you the 3/5/5 cycle, turning it into 3s/5s/4e, which hurts your eviscerate damage worse than taking the point from Imp Evisc does, IIRC.

This is the tentative 15-31-5 combat dagger spec that I have picked out. I'm jumping the sword ship and going back to CD, since it seem that it's going to provide the best raid damage by far, not to mention that itemization has always leaned towards favoring combat daggers. Also you'll notice that in certain situations where the mob doesn't like to stand still, you can still switch to a sword and maintain a substantial amount of DPS with aggression and AR, good thing I'm keeping my BB around. But losing 1 pt. in Imp evis, I make up for it in Aggression by 1% and still get my full BS bonus plus 3/3 SnD. I tossed my extra "no damage" points into parry and dodge for those "woops" moments.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=nbxc0xZMIi00yz0foV

Comments and feedback welcome. =D

With combat daggers, how will you ever have enough cp's to do a evi? Possibly some amount of extra CPs will be available during an AR, but imo the benefit of AR is the extra energy, the combo points are simply a bonus in most cases. On top of that, no ruthlessness will hurt your buildup when you don't have AR ready (or when aggro is a concern so you can't use it) and no relentless strikes means that your finishers will be a constant energy drain that could actually make your SnD rotation impossible to maintain. Lastly, aggression over 1% more to crit? I can see keeping aggression for grinding (since you won't be doing many backstabs there anyways) but compared to an extra crit on the mainstay of your dps methods... Just not seeing the benefit.

Just my opinions though, maybe you can tell us how your cycle is going to look with this build where you include an evi?

edited for wording

I'm at work right now, and the exact length of time that 3/3 SnD at 5 CP lasts eludes me. Also, since AR is on a 5 minute cooldown now, I doubt that it won't be up during boss fights, or should be saved for. I generally like to use it after a 50-60% vanish, so I have a larger aggro buffer (with combat swords of course). So the cycle would look more like small SnD's and Ruptures and then after vanish when AR is activated, switching to SnD/Evis cycles.

Well, with full imp SnD, it will last for 30 seconds (coincidentally, the same amount of time it takes you to get 5 CPs on average) and thus when you aren't hitting AR you won't have the extra combo points to play with.