We just started working at Naxx and I we are having no issues clearing upto Instructor or clearing trash involving ghouls and slimes.. but the spider trash is just insane.. how many deaths do you guys have with those trash? is it even possible to avoid deaths to those?

We got our ass handed to us completely on the first pull but it quickly got fairly easy.
Just make sure the big one is far from the raid and that you tank the middle ones against a wall and you should be set.

I have no experience with naxx yet(hopefully soon) but my experience with blizzard trash in instances is it tends to be able to take the raid out quick if you dont do stuff flawlessly. Some nights in MC we still can lose 5 or 6 people the lava packs. I have learned over time to always respect the trash in instances.

The big spiders are Lava Surgers with a splash poison at the end of the surge with no knockback

We haven't tried a hunter pull on the spider trash yet, but anytime a warrior pulls its instadeath for him/her most of the times :/

Protip for small spider packs: Have Priests spam Holy Nova on them since it is 0 aggro. Also if your mages have subtlety talents and a Fetish of the Sandreaver, make them pop that since then they can AoE without causing any threat. Otherwise mages should not AoE the small packs unless they want to die in .5 seconds

For the larger pulls, yell at your mages if they aren't mashing their decurse button

It is possible to do those pulls flawlessly without deaths, just have to make sure you cure the poison ASAP when it lands, kill the Venom Stalkers first, and keep up with the decursing. Once the Venom Stalker dies, the pull becomes much easier.

As long as people are on the ball they really shouldn't be that much of a problem - priority decursing tanks on the big spider pulls, and on the little ones we just sacrifice our gnome mages with aoe death when Blessing of Protection isn't up :( There's really no reason to wipe to either one of them, the little ones appear low in the hp and the big ones are definitely healable through, as long as people are decursing asap.

Talent I suppose. That and 4 hours of sleep combined with sitting in front of a computer all day long is not good for me.

I don't know if it's only the primary person who gets killed by the GETOVERHERE (ala scorpion in MK) move the spiders do, but for some reason I'm able to run out of those. I get pulled for about 5 feet, then its over before I get eaten. I'll have to pay attention to see if it's b/c I'm getting cleansed. The best thing about those pulls was the first one, listening to our hunters cries in vent.

LOS the big green spider around the corner, kill dread creepers first ASAP and decurse that viel. Point spinners to the wall. once they are all done go kill the big green one around the corner.

For the small packs assign a tank or druid to each one then range aoe blizzard/helfire ect.. treat it like slimes in abomination.

The trash in Naxx is perfect... its not too hard individually like AQ - not tedious like AQ - not too many pulls like in AQ... and its not in silithus. You die here and there learning it - but you learn it and its not going to require massive strat to pull off. Fuck AQ.

AQ trash is fine. They just need to take out one Nullifier pack, 2 *slayer packs from the hallway, and one *slayer pack between Ouro and C'Thun.

For the spider pulls, we basically do what has been described here. However, this is why I love the EJ boards: The diversity. We have always been fine in the spider wing pulling and killing trash. The Abom wing on the other hand? OMFG do those slimes suck ass. :)

Isn't that kind of under the definition of "not fine" when you remove a quarter of the trash in one section.

To be honest, don't you think they could also lose 1-2 defenders, and actually 3 slayer packs, and 2 nullfier packs in total?

I don't accept the logic behind overly difficult trash. Its not fun, its not a bragging point... I know what the argument for it is... but AQ is hated by thousands of people for a reason now. Naxx trash is perfect IMO (other than the broodlord respawn/zerg nonsense after Noth... yech).

the trash isn't that hard. there's just too much of it.

Basically, if I can get from Boss A to Boss B in 15 minutes or less once I know what I'm doing, I think it's OK. If it takes more than 15 minutes I get irritated. If it's more than 30 minutes (sup post-Emps trash) then it's shitty design.

In the end time is everything for sure...

For the Infectious Skitterers, we have a warrior group taunt them and _try_ to get everyone else to single target the loose ones. Mages without Ice Block/invulnerability pots have a penchant for AOE here, the result of which is predictable.

For all the other spiders, mages/druids decursing players affected by the healing debuff and druids/paladins/shaman cleansing the poison dot should make the pulls mostly trivial for you.

We use a hunter pet to pull the larger packs in order to avoid losing a hunter to the web-spit-snare-portal.

That amount of trash after the Emps I believe would be a little more acceptable if there were more than two bosses to look forward to after those pulls. BWL has a nice long string of pulls between Firemaw and Ebonroc, however after that you got 4 bosses in a row with one small trash pull before Chromaggus. Nowadays those pulls aren't bad, but back in the day it was tedious.

Though, looking at the design of that hallway up to C'thun it is so wide, it almost seems when they were planning out the instance another boss was maybe planned to be put in that big round room before the big last stretch before C'thun.

If I had it my way I would go the way Gurg says removing those mobs and adding a Flamegor-esque boss that you would have to kill before going to C'thun. I think that would make the instance more bearable by people. I know a lot of people in my guild hate the instance and it makes me sad cause I love it despite its trash mob issues.

For the "multipacks" we have three tanks charge and tank the "get over heres!" and the poison spitters and have two hunters shoot the cursing ones. The cursing ones are amazingly easy to kite without any real fear of dying. We pull them out and kite them in a circle in a previously cleared room. (or even the entrance circle)

Isn't the giant green spider's poison volley triggered by it charging? Just dogpile on the spider pack and have the decursers spam decurse until the green spider and the purple spiders are dead.