OP: Bored at work on a nice slow saturday and the more I read about the Windfury nerf the more I think Blizzard is preparing to just give us Paladins! Seriously though as entertaining as it would be to have unlimited mana (as a hunter :P) I wonder if they've ever had a round table about this...I'm guessing yes, and I wonder if the guy that brought it up is still employed ;)

Ah...hopefully this day ends soon...

*edit* changed the Title from "Think Blizzard will give up and just give Horde a Paladin class?" as it was attracting too much shitheaping :P Let's try to keep this in line with the deeply buried idea of Windfury FTL.

New Post: How much faith do you have in Blizzard that this is not the only adjustment to be made to Shamans?

No. For about 500 reasons.

Inc Shitheap?

Shitheap please.

Bah...no entertainment while at work.

At this point, do we think there is a serious effort to balance the factions? They've come out and said Horde has it rougher than Alliance, no pretending or even denial. The Shaman review was.... puzzling, outside of cleaning up Resto a bit and totem cost/duration. The replies so far hint at something.... bigger.

Best response this post should get imo.

Almost positive they will.

Thing is though...nothing is set in stone yet. Just like the Rogue changes it's called a test server for a reason ;)

I'd always like to give Blizzard the benefit of the doubt, but you know...maybe as Horde we're more used to bending over and saying thank you then actually having legitimate concerns addressed :)

Maybe they'll limit the number of totems you can drop and take away the whole element limitation? I'm a hunter, so as long as GoA/Mana Spring is available I'm happy :)

In response to a post asking basically the same question.

Horray for Blizzard!

GoA ftw? Dodge tanking is all the rave now...just have to last longer...

they nerfed WF because they nerfed BoS. but as far as they're concerned, WF and Tranquil Air are always used at the same time so it's all good!

Well, strictly speaking they didn't nerfed BoS. Most of the threat reduction in game already was multiplicative. The only exceptions i know of was mage -agro talents and Arcanist 8/8 bonus.

Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that all talents listed under here:

http://www.thottbot.com/?e=Apply%20A...at%20%28All%29

were additive, while all of these were multiplicative:

http://www.thottbot.com/?e=Apply%20A...20%28Threat%29


Dollars to donuts that all the spells listed in the first link will have their wording changed to that of the second link.

Alright, I need you Horde-savvy people to explain why Windfury is nerfed to a melee hunter friend of mine, who is arguing you can drop rockbiter totems or strength of earth totems or whatever totems because he has a 60 shaman with full tier 2 and he knows what hes talking about and you are wrong no matter what!!!!

Basically, hes claiming you guys need to learn to play the game and stop whining about a nerf. Because hes an alliance melee hunter. And he knows what hes talking about more than you do.

Friends dont let friends roll melee hunters.

Can someone just tell me in Black and White why this is a significant DPS nerf?

Hes now claiming I don't understand his arguement because I haven't taken statistics.

EDIT: He claims he never said Rockbiter totems existed now.

EDIT #2: Someone help me, the bruise on my forehead is getting bigger as well as the dent in my desk. I know hes wrong horribly but I can't explain why.

EDIT #3: Okay, I'm getting him to type it out, I'll post what he says here.

Now I'm not a shaman expert, but I'm fairly certain that windfury is the only totem that gives a damage increase that is multiplicative with gear. The others to my knowledge are all a static increase of attack power or stats, and don't scale with gear like windfury does (giving free attacks that have their damage determined by your gear).

On another note... there's a melee hunter left after the hunter review that happened oh so long ago? :blink:

He's a melee hunter.

I think you can safely write him off as a retard and ignore him.

He hit grand marshal after the review and hes going for it again.

I really don't listen to him that often, I try not to, but I really just have to prove him wrong. Just this once.

Okay, hes now lost interest, and going back in game to do something fun. He still says hes going to continue writing it though.

EDIT: Okay, Nethris he said he understands that, but I think the jist of his arguement is that windfury only procs five times in 25 hits, and if only 5 of those hits are special hits, windfury will only proc 4 times. And one less proc isn't significant DPS.

EDIT #2: Thats his argument in bold, I just confirmed it. He says thats for a fury warrior.

1 proc may not be significant damage. But losing 1 hit out of 30 as those numbers suggest adds up in a 5 minute fight. And the theorycrafting rogues here have shown a dagger rogue, with relatively few special attacks, loses significant enough dps. A lot of the high end raiding fights are now dps dependant in that it's a race to kill the boss before a timer runs out and he starts 1 shotting people, or a race to kill adds before more adds spawn. Losing dps on 2 of 5 dps classes in your raid is just going to make fights that much harder.

Thank you, I'll send this his way and probably have his counter-point by Sunday night.