Skullo

Thottbot has some of them already. For example, 6 piece Frostfire bonus, 20% chance. 8 piece Frostfire bonus, 15% chance.

 

Veronica

Well, based on a short farming session a couple of days ago, the 2 piece BS proc rate is somewhere close to 5%. 50 out of 933 normal swings.

 

Copernicus

Frostfire 6-piece is interesting.

20% chance to proc +200 damage on the target, lasting for 30 seconds and 1 charge.

The question there is if it's a flat 200 dmg at 20% proc rate, or if it's the next spell succesfully cast that deals damage gets a +200 dmg bonus, adjusted by spell mechanics, or if it will trigger off the next DoT tick.

 

Sicks

That's sick.

Wodin\'s cat changed my life.

 

Nethris

Does a flat % chance to trigger a duration buff (rather than a buff for 1 spell, as 8/9 FF is), regardless of cast time, strike anyone else has highly odd and probably stupid design? And if they're going to make it such a high %, wouldn't a stacking bonus that always happened that stacked to 5 for the +200 effect make more sense? >.>

On another note, that high of a proc rate makes 8/9 FF seem possibly necessary for aggro management, maybe even for alliance... long way off for me, but I hope it's not... even valuing stam fairly highly, and not ignoring int, both of which are often higher on FF than other alternatives, only having one non-set piece seems a bit limiting... of course, I've yet to see what my aggro will be like when Blizz fixes stacking of salvation with mage talents, if that's one of the ones that's additive (always kinda assumed it did the logical thing and gave a multiplicative effect... silly me), and when I get gear that's better than 2 of the last 4 pieces of NW I wear for raiding and lose the 3/8 NW aggro reduction =/

 

Skullo

Yes, a lower-amount-of-damage-stacking-with-high-chance proc, which lasts 30 seconds, would make more sense than a huge bonus with high chance to proc...

...but...

I think the description is just misleading, and no-one (including me) bothered reading the last tiny bit of information, which, if it's what I'm thinking it is, actually explains everything:

 

dojke

Clearcast has the exact same type of charge/chance thing as elemental vuln (except 10% instead of 20% on the trigger) , so presumably they work the same and it'll only be 1 charge.

 

◊ chalon

Yeah, this was pretty much what I determined as well. Kind of sad how it doesn't proc from specials, but oh well. It does add an extra benefit to having Kiss of the Spider :).

 

Rarek

Surely this will stack with ToEP/ZHC/PI.

SURELY

http://ctprofiles.net/544293

 

arch

I discovered this aswell during the PTR period. It seems that the frostfire 6 piece bonus is a debuff on the target that can be consumed by anyone. I haven't been able to confirm it though, as I only have access to 5 frostfire, and I dont really want it anymore because of this shitty debuff.

Needless to say, the proc is pretty damn crap if this is how it works.

 

Kinv

So pretty much you don't want it because allthough it increases raid DPS, it won't help your E-peen on the damagemeters?

 

arch

Yes, it's a principle. I feel offended by the thought of ever helping an enem... uhm, friend out.

Besides, there isn't 6 pieces of the set I would use since the bracers were nerfed to hell. The bracers/shoulders/belt/leggings/gloves truly are mediocre at best.

 

Mandilo

Just consider the 6 piece bonus another 40 damage, that's what it is in effect. And so what if it goes to whoever lands a spell first? If you have 5 or however many other mages proccing it to you will surely use their procs as well. I'm sorry, but those of you who would discount the usefullness of the proc or not want it anymore simply because it might not benefit you personally on a damage meter are idiots.

http://ctprofiles.net/1391975

 

Skullo

Selfish people aren't necessarily idiots.

 

Incoherence

As previously discussed: 8/9 Faith. http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=28802

Yeah, thanks Blizzard. I know I wanted to be wearing 3/8 Transcendence into the expansion.

 

Sancus

'scuse me. 6piece frostfire is +40 damage(20% of 200), whether it's a flat bonus or subject to the cast-time damage formula is fairly irrelevant for this comparison.

Headpiece: Best in its slot
Robe: Best in its slot
Ring: Best in its slot
Boots: Best in their slot
Gloves: Best in their slot
(yes, they are. Mediocre? What are you talking about? You should be Spellhit% capped by now, in which case, frostfire gloves have -1dmg from Dark Storm. That's it, since the %hit does nothing. And they also get -2sta, +4int, +10 spirit. Given the length of Naxx fights, +10 spirit is almost certainly more useful than +1dmg, especially for Horde)

Bindings: Well given that they nerfed soul harvester bindings, 21dmg and 1% crit is only about ~4 damage-crit equivalence better than the 27dmg on Frostfire Bindings. And you gain +4 int and 10 SP which is occasionally useful.

So you wear these 6 pieces. You lose a grand total of 5 damage, gain 10 spirit, gain 10 spell penetration(which is useful in some corner case situationals), gain 8int. Your net gain from having Frostfire 6pc is +35 damage. Even if, quite often, this bonus does not apply to you, IT STILL APPLIES TO SOMEONE SO IT COUNTS. I can't see any sort of reasonable argument that +5dmg is better than FF 6pc.

The only justification I can see not to go for 6/9 frostfire is if you're taking Kel'thuzad's staff and you won't be spellhit% capped, but that changes a lot of gear possibilities and frankly, you might still end up wanting at least 6/9 frostfire because the leggings gain a LOT over Leggings of Polarity when their spellhit% becomes useful. But either way, Kelthuzad's staff drop is a bad pve weapon so this is a bad choice.

<Vontre> I removed the cooldown on evo
<sancus> and what happened?
<Vontre> DPS went down rofl

 

arch

There was a reason for me not listing the head, robe, ring and boots... hmm, maybe that's cause I also see them as the best in their slot? nah that can't be it, too obvious!

The frostfire set overall has too much stats and too much +hit imo, that's why I tend to go for the non-set items. This has pretty much always been the case with set items and probably always will. I'm deemed to wear gear that makes me look like a drifter.

Bracers are mediocre cause they have shitty spellpenetration which does fuckall in pve.
Shoulders are mediocre cause they are just a pretty version of mantle of blackwing cabal, and Gluth's shoulders owns.
Belt is mediocre cause of the low +dmg compared to Eyestalk waist cord and the hit is worth nothing when at the cap.
Leggings for the same reason, 2% crit with leggings of polarity > 1% hit when at the cap obviously

The gloves are a bordercase, I might use em, I might not - not sure yet.

As for the proc, I was mainly being sarcastic, but that's undetectable here on the intarnetss amirite?

 

Sancus

I'm glad you agree, then, 6/9 Frostfire is required.

<Vontre> I removed the cooldown on evo
<sancus> and what happened?
<Vontre> DPS went down rofl

 

◊ Drauk

Well, thats quite a fine point. I've been tinkering with Naxx gear for a while, trying to find an optimal set. The best i've come up with is http://ctprofiles.net/1251195.

As you can see its only +11 hit and 4 from talents, 1 point less from the cap. And thats with using Dark Storm.

Fun is for casuals

 

Gauss

No it's trash because it adds yet another debuff to manage. Multiply that one shitty debuff slot which, while being up for a split second, could knock off a more useful buff. Multiply this chance by however many mages want near full frostfire (which thankfully the set as a whole is by far THE shittiest of all tier 3) and you have more worthless debuffs than you care for on a boss fight. Also, who knows what that one charge can be consumed by? Could be a scorch, could be a DoT tick from corruption, could be an arcane shot. Chances are its priority will be fucked up for a few patches and be the same priority as say curse of elements, which will drive everyone mad.

God forbid they make it a buff on the mage. This craptastic set bonus just clenches it for me to only take 4 pieces, because most of the pieces are sidegrades anyway, the exceptions being the bracers (for pvp), helm, legs and chest.

Noobing it up on Mal'Ganis since '06

 

Chiquihuite

What about the 2 piece Plagueheart bonus? No love for the Warlocks I swear =(

http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=28831

No listing as yet to the proc chance

Gauss: Yeah, it'd be nice if they made it local to the caster, but eh...at least they're moving in the right direction in terms of set design. More damage/hit/crit(albeit a bit too much +hit) and less stupid stats. Not a single point of spirit on the warlock set, and it only took them designing 5 crappy sets (Dreadmist+Deathmist+Felheart+Nemesis+Doomcaller) to finally realize that Spirit means nothing to Locks. Oh, and they nerfed our threat reduction bonus down to 25% for destructions spell crits so they could add a completely frigging WORTHLESS static -25% threat to...Corruption, Agony, and....Siphon....what the hell? Just when I thought Blizzard was accepting that they botched up affliction and it's pointless for raids, they have to go and change another bonus on the set so two of them cater to dotlocks, gg.

"They're Dragon Kill Points; not Dragon Feed Points"

 

Quixotic

http://ctprofiles.net/2478005

The 6 piece FF in it's current state for a frost mage, is one of the better sets, as you can sacrifice a few slots being capped on +hit, and crit being not AS important as a fire mage. Also has all the "visible" pieces of the set so you look decent while raiding :P.

http://www.ctprofiles.net/1960791

For fire, I'd rather go with a higher crit gear set, for better use of MoE and rolling ignites, while still being at capped hit.

 

Sapphrina

Huh, that works for rank 1 shadowbolt which is 1.2sec cast time with talents. I wonder how that'd work out for grinding. Gotta look at the bright side (especially since plagueheart is so ugly hehe).

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Schrödinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.

 

arch

No I still dont believe the proc to be "required", nor do I think of it as highly as some people here seem to do. There are more reasons for that, though I cba discussing this, other than saying that two of the reasons were already mentioned here by Gauss and Quixotic.

I will, however, further evaluate my view when someone actually get a hold of 6 pieces and starts posting info.

I have considered it and I still see some potential in the proc (hello scorch + 20% procrate) but as I said, I dont wanna get into it.

 

McInaction

I'm quite interested on the numbers for 6 piece cryptstalker, the chance to restore mana after a crit... if anyone happens to have that info.

I tried looking myself and didn't find anything, but I very well could just be retarded.