ex-sheepy

It's not a proc chance -- you gain 50 mana each time you crit.

 

◊ Drauk

11 hit isnt capped. The cap is 16, since cap is 99% spell hit chance.

Fun is for casuals

 

Quixotic

I'm perfectly aware of the 16% cap, and I'm saying with Ringo's and Ring of the Fallen God, you can get the FF gloves over Dark Storm Gauntlets. The cap is still easily reached with elemental precision in a 28 arcane / 23 frost build.

 

Skullo

Why was Elemental Precision altered? Can you be 100% sure that it works the way +hit does?

Don't get me wrong; I am 99% sure it does =)

 

Maledict

Elemental Precision's text was altered in order to bring it inline with other talents.

I've quoted Tseric in another thread, but can't find it now - but it has been confirmed as acting as +6% to hit with fire & frost spells by Blizzard.

Also, a quick parse on broodlord / ebonroc definitely has a much lowered resist rate on frostbolt with it.

 

Skullo

Thanks!

 

Chimera2402

Plagueheart 2piece is rumoured to be 10%. As soon as Naxx bosses start dropping the 'lock pieces i want i`ll get some testing done to see if its true.

 

Tuco

5% to get 24 mana regen for 30s? I'm presuming that's 24 mana every 5 seconds? That's kind of cute.

Right now I get 350 spirit raid buffed. Every five seconds that's 231.75 mana (idle). 15% of that from 3pc trans is 34 mana/5s.

So 8 piece gives 5% chance for 24/5. 3 piece gives 34/5 after you cast a spell.

If you really wanted to break it down in an interesting but misleading way...

5% of 24/5 for 30s is 7.2 mana per cast for Faith. Casting one spell with Trans gives 34 mana. (the misleading bit is that you usually cast another spell before the 5 second rule is over)

So yeah. TBC will see end-game priests in 3 piece transcendence.

 

CHeeSY-CrAfT

Rumor has it, Kel'thuzad and Sapphiron above level 63? Who knows :)

 

Bigman397

going to have a hell of a time hitting them, much less killing them if thats the case. the mathematics get sticky if their level gets much above 63.

http://ctprofiles.net/1604639

 

Fellwraith

Unless of course they don't expect you to get to them until mid-October or sometime in November... :ph34r:

 

• Navaash

It would be incredibly brutal but I don't see why it couldn't be done. It would be murderous on caster DPS admittedly since his base to-hit would be 72% (though that also would make 5-piece Enigma the absolute best tool anyone would have to fight him).

 

Falcon24

If the FF 6-piece really is a 1 charge consumeable debuff on the mob that can get consumed by any other magic attack on the mob then that's a piece of shit and they need to make it a self-buff.

 

Sinndir

As sad as this may sound it is actually true. Some quick numbers should put it into good perspective. Note these are all assumptions on gear/stats etc.

Raiding priest with 400 buffed spirit mana regen = 113 per tick (2 sec.) using spirit/4 + 13 formula.

Thus having 3 piece trans will give you 15% of that 113 mana, being 16.95 mana per tick. Assume that for a whole fight you are under the 5 second rule meaning your regen is not 113 per tick but that of your 3 piece bonus and your meditation talent equaling 30% of 113 which totals 33.9 mana per tick.

Priest A uses 3 piece trans with meditation.
Priest B uses 8 piece faith with meditation.
Length one minute (30 regular regen ticks and/or 12 mana/5 ticks)

Priest A regens 33.9 mana at 30 ticks totaling 1,017 mana regained over one minute of constant casting.

Priest B regens 16.95 mana at 30 ticks and assuming one epiphany 24 mana/5 at 6 ticks totaling 652.5 mana regained over one minute of constant casting. Assuming epiphany triggers twice (the second right after the first one ends) the regen raises to 796.5 mana regained over one minute of constant casting.

Personally, in my opinion, this ability needs to either be able to stack (5 epiphanies stacked would be 120 mana per 5 sec.) or it needs to be changed. There is no reason that an 8 piece Tier 3 bonus is worse than a 3 piece Tier 2 bonus. =(

However, the rest of the faith set is fantastic so I am thinking maybe Blizz is scaling healing priests down by giving us a lame bonus? I'm not sure, any thoughts on this?

 

Incoherence

No, they're just annoying us by making crappy set bonuses. See also 5/8 Earthfury.

I think the consensus is either 6/9 Faith plus pants/belt/bracers of Transcendence, or pants/bracers/gloves of Transcendence and Grasp of the Old God, possibly swapping between the two based on whether the threat reduction might be useful.

 

Sinndir

Incoherence I've been working out which is the best way around this 'must wear three piece trans'. But every way I can come up with it, it has to be done. I think that the only way possible would be to supplement those 3 pieces with enough +mana/5 gear while maintaining the +healing/+spirit you would otherwise. In essence we will NEED to wear 3 trans for this bonus, as the faith set has boat loads of spirit it only gets better. I had some spare time this lunch house so this is what I came up with:

***Note all differences are from going to FAITH from TRANS!***
(Also resists are not included, this is a straight healing set without resist fights being counted for)

Head - Definatly Faith
Trans / 94 AC / 27 INT / 22 SPR / 17 Stam / 48 Healing
Faith /108 AC / 22 INT / 22 SPR / 22 Stam / 75 Healing / +5 Mp5
Diff = +14 Armor / -5 Int / = Spirit / +5 Stam / +28 Healing / +5 Mp5
Shoulders - Could use Trans
Trans / 87 AC / 25 INT / 13 SPR / 12 Stam / 26 Healing
Faith / 97 AC / 18 INT / 17 SPR / 17 Stam / 51 Healing / +3 Mp5
Diff = +10 Armor / -7 Int / +4 Spirit / +5 Stam / +25 Healing / +3 Mp5
Chest - Definatly Faith
Trans /116 AC / 27 INT / 16 SPR / 17 Stam / 57 Healing
Faith /138 AC / 27 INT / 27 SPR / 26 Stam / 75 Healing / +5 Mp5
Diff = +22 Armor / = Int / +5 Spirit / +9 Stam / +18 Healing / +5 Mp5
Wrists - Trans (no significant changes)
Trans / 51 AC / 13 INT / 16 SPR / 9 Stam / 33 Healing
Faith / 58 AC / 15 INT / 17 SPR / 11 Stam / 40 Healing
Diff = + 7 Armor / +2 Int / +1 Spirit / +2 Stam / + 7 Healing
Hands - Faith
Trans / 72 AC / 20 INT / 13 SPR / 12 Stam / 29 Healing / 1% Crit Spells
Faith / 83 AC / 21 INT / 22 SPR / 16 Stam / 40 Healing / +4 Mp5
Diff = +11 Armor / +1 Int / +9 Spirit / +4 Stam / +11 Healing/ -1% Crit / +4 Mp5
Waist - Could use Trans
Trans / 65 AC / 26 INT / 9 SPR / 14 Stam / 26 Healing
Faith / 75 AC / 23 INT / 17 SPR / 18 Stam / 48 Healing
Diff = +10 Armor / -3 Int / +8 Spirit / +4 Stam / +22 Healing
Legs - Trans
Trans /101 AC / 21 INT / 21 SPR / 16 Stam / 46 Healing / +7 Mp5
Faith /116 AC / 26 INT / 28 SPR / 25 Stam / 66 Healing
Diff = +15 Armor / +5 Int / +7 Spirit / +9 Stam / +20 Healing / -7 Mp5
Feet - Definatly Faith
Trans / 80 AC / 17 INT / 17 SPR / 17 Stam / 35 Healing
Faith / 89 AC / 22 INT / 13 SPR / 19 Stam / 45 Healing / +6 Mp5
Diff = + 9 Armor / +5 Int / -4 Spirit / +2 Stam / +10 Healing / +6 Mp5

Overall I will most likely use the Trans Leggings, which after a review, I think are actually better than the Faith leggings. I think losing 7 Mp5 doesn't warrant the other gains, sure 20 healing but still... not worth it over the long fights. I will also use Trans Waist and Trans bracers as they gain minimal stats. This will allow for the slots where I would gain Mp5 gear and more spirit compared to small gains of spirit or loss, or no gain of Mp5 gear. Depending if you liket he crit on the hands you could also use that.

I think the Boots are a definate take, as well the head also. I think the gloves of faith are a large upgrade however, again depends if you like the crit. I'll post more later, back to work!

 

Lagomorph

I honestly think it will be a matter of the encounter determining what I use.

Spammy encounters, with lots of time under the 5s rule, where you can't rotate out the edge goes to wearing 3 peices of trans.
Less frantic encounters, where you can take a break from casting for 30s to regen 600 mana, or where you're only inside the 5s rule 50% of the time - the edge goes to Faith.

Faith has better total stats - you can drive more HPS with faith than trans, you'll regen more outside the 5s rule with faith than trans. The 3peice trans bonus is excellent - but it isn't game breaking (precisely because it is 3 peices).

 

◊ Quigon

Thats a nice breakdown sinndir.

Part of the problem though is people not taking clear upgrades because they look at the final picture instead of the "Getting there" and "leaving there" situation where having the extra slots gives you diversity in retaining a set bonus.
For instance, I'm glad I have full wrath... it makes exitting into tier 3 much easier, even though conq bp and royal belt thingy are better individually... I can pick and choose subpar items to utilize a superior 5 set bonus in low aggro situations.

But in the end I think most priests would agree w/your analysis... although i doubt many pass on shoulders... looking pretty is 99% of gear choice!!

 

◊ Oggie

Hey, call me completely nuts, but has anyone actually tested the functionality of 8/9 Faith? It says increases mana regen by 24, I would assume it works like that splinter thingie from the Blasted Lands, increasing 24/tick, or 24/2 seconds (right?), working out to 96 spirit. What intrigues me is the possiblity that this is not subject to the 5 second rule, increasing by a static 24/2 seconds while the proc is active. This would take 640 spirit for the tier 2 to once again step ahead of Faith while the proc is active.

Okay, it probably doesn't work like that- but does anyone know?

PS, wtb accurate stats (they changed them at least once) and proc rate on Totemic Focus....

 

Claudius

According to thottbot:

http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=28804

 

◊ Oggie

Man don't I feel stupid.

I was just going by the set piece text....

Blah, then up arrow to all the stuff thats' been said. Why couldn't it be a more robust/scaling bonus?

 

stop

The way I read that is the chance is 100% (if you look at the other examples such as http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=28787) the value does seem to be the percentage which it goes off.

Of course this would be so broken that I shouldn't mention it on public forums and ruin the fun for anyone who has it.

 

Sinndir

A part of the reason I would use trans bracers/pants/belt :P Must... look... sexy...

 

Sinndir

I really hope it is able to stack, but say to a max of like 5 times.... mmmm 120 mana / 5 seconds for 30 seconds.

 

Sinndir

Just like switching to the Trans set from Prophecy. 3 piece trans was the best of the trans bonus' and I shot just for that... but eventually I obtained the full set and enjoyed the renew on my greater heal and the fade for small instances. Not to mention each individual piece OVERALL is better (yes even the faith legs).

The difference between the two sets is as follows: (not including the ring of faith)

Trans - 176 INT / 127 SPR / 114 STAM / 300 Healing / 7 Mana Per 5 / 1% Spell Crit
Faith - 174 INT / 157 SPR / 154 STAM / 428 Healing / 23 Mana Per 5
Differ - -2 INT / +30 SPR / +40 STAM / +128 Healing / +16 Mana Per 5 / -1% Crit

To be even more astonishing check out the percentage increases:

Int of course is -1.14%, Spirit is up 24.6%, Stamina is up 35.1%, +heal is up 42.6%, and Mana Per 5 goes up 228.6%!

Not to mention your armor goes up 98 points making that a 14.7% increase. And that small of an increase in armor will be quite noticeable in the melee damage you take, possibly a few % of damage.

Overall it is a great set, and of course Theorycraft is fun to try to figure out which gear setup would prove to be the best for your playstyle.