Undocumented 1.12 changes

Malan · 07/18/06, 10:22 AM

UNDOCUMENTED CHANGES

Battlegrounds
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- In order to whisper a player from another server in your battleground you must append "-Servername" to the end of their name. These whispers will not show up on your screen, but will show up on theirs.
- You may only trade conjured items to players from another server (anything else will give an error message)
- When you join a battleground, you are automatically added to a raid group. You MAY NOT leave that group. To speak in this raid, use /bg instead of /ra.
- You may be in a battleground group and a regular group at once, but the battleground group will be the one you see in the party frame as well as the raid tab.
- The mini-battlemap in will reopen automatically if closed (Possibly a bug?)

World PvP
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- Silithus and EPL both now have battlemaps like battlegrounds do.

Rogue
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- Ruthlessness still appears as a Improved Relentless Strikes pre-req but this is just a graphic bug.
- Murder is now only increased damage to Humanoids but by 2/4% instead of 1/2%.

Items
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- Thunderfury is now one-handed instead of main-handed.

Interface
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- The interface options dialog is now full-screen and opaque meaning it can no longer be used while moving.
- The MacOS version keybinding options now include functions for controlling iTunes.
- Raid boss emotes are now shown in center of screen like a warning.
- Target of Target can be set to show/hide depending on if you're in a group/raid or not.
- Deleting good or better quality items pops up a confirm dialog, where you have to enter "delete".

Interesting that you can't leave a battleground raid anymore... no more solo honor farmers I guess - will this change the rate at which people grind to rank 14? And why the hell would they make raid boss emotes spam your screen?
Oh and I'm pretty pumped about being able to control iTunes on my Mac.

• frmorrison · 07/18/06, 10:36 AM

I like the you have to enter DELETE to destroy good items. Maybe they need to do that with AH purchases over 50g (it combat those people that sell Runecloth for 99g)

Yes, the BG raid is interesting how it works; it is good change since it encourages cooperative play.

Yesterday, the towers in EPL were up but if you capped all four you didn't get a buff or any sort of honor.

When I went to Sithilus, I didn't see any Sithylus.

Nite_Moogle · 07/18/06, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Malan

And why the hell would they make raid boss emotes spam your screen?

Help obselete CTraid?

Malan · 07/18/06, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle

Originally Posted by Malan

And why the hell would they make raid boss emotes spam your screen?

Help obselete CTraid?

BigWigs is vastly superior.

♦ Praetorian · 07/18/06, 11:24 AM

That's not CTRaid so much as Spell Alert.

That whole new BG channel and BG group system sounds like it's going to require some nontrivial modification to existing mods like CTRA for continued compatibility.

Malan · 07/18/06, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Praetorian

That's not CTRaid so much as Spell Alert.

That whole new BG channel and BG group system sounds like it's going to require some nontrivial modification to existing mods like CTRA for continued compatibility.

Agreed. The CT team has been getting the short end of the stick on patches lately.

BTW, anyone had a chance to check out the new scrolling combat text on the PTR? One of my guildmates said that he thinks its actually superior to the SCT mod.

Edit - I love that I have to append -ServerName to the end of a whisper to talk to someone. I sure hope there's a new line on character tooltips that indicates what server they're from!

Feldia · 07/18/06, 11:33 AM

Hmm, how is that battlegroup system going to affect raid organization? Who will have the leader tag to be able to organize groups and such?

♦ Praetorian · 07/18/06, 11:33 AM

One of the nicest new UI features in 1.12 is this:

Originally Posted by slouken

In 1.12, addons can send hidden chat messages to players in the party, raid or guild, using SendAddonMessage("prefix", "message", "PARTY"|"RAID"|"GUILD"). When players receve these messages, a new event "CHAT_MSG_ADDON" is sent, with arg1-arg3 being the parameters to SendAddonMessage(), and arg4 being the name of the player that sent it. The combined length of "prefix" and "message" must be less than or equal to 254 bytes.

No more sync channels.

Anias · 07/18/06, 11:40 AM

Slouken's also commented that he's looking into the group calendar mod and may implement it by default for the guild, which would be very very nice.

Lurchington · 07/18/06, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Malan

Originally Posted by Praetorian

That's not CTRaid so much as Spell Alert.

That whole new BG channel and BG group system sounds like it's going to require some nontrivial modification to existing mods like CTRA for continued compatibility.

Agreed. The CT team has been getting the short end of the stick on patches lately.

BTW, anyone had a chance to check out the new scrolling combat text on the PTR? One of my guildmates said that he thinks its actually superior to the SCT mod.

Edit - I love that I have to append -ServerName to the end of a whisper to talk to someone. I sure hope there's a new line on character tooltips that indicates what server they're from!

apparently the name that you see in battlegrounds, is of the form <character> - <servername>

So, you'd be able to see Sobchek - Mal'Ganis running around AV.

fishwaffle · 07/18/06, 11:46 AM

I heard that Hemo was stealth-normalized, can anybody confirm or deny?

• Darkmyst · 07/18/06, 11:51 AM

- Raid boss emotes are now shown in center of screen like a warning.

Dear god I hope there is a way to configure this to go back to the chat window where it belongs.

DiscW · 07/18/06, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Interesting that you can't leave a battleground raid anymore... no more solo honor farmers I guess - will this change the rate at which people grind to rank 14?

Yes, it will hurt quite a lot. If you aren't running your own team then this will seriously screw over your honor gain. It will even hurt you if you have a team since you could leave the group to farm hk's during the game.

If blizzard is going to put something like this in, they should remove diminishing returns so you aren't penalized like you are now for being in a group.

I'm also curious about the leader issue. Will we not be able to set up our own groups now?

• frmorrison · 07/18/06, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by fishwaffle

I heard that Hemo was stealth-normalized, can anybody confirm or deny?

Not when I used it, nor is Ghostly Strike normalized. Sub needs all the help it can get.

As to the BG raid grouping, the first person in the instance got the "leader" tag.

Also there the interface option screen has more options (and takes up the whole screen), and there is a default self cast option.

KalelScilla · 07/18/06, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by DiscW

If blizzard is going to put something like this in, they should remove diminishing returns so you aren't penalized like you are now for being in a group.

Since nobody will be able to leave group anymore, it's not really a penalty.

• frmorrison · 07/18/06, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by KalelScilla

Originally Posted by DiscW

If blizzard is going to put something like this in, they should remove diminishing returns so you aren't penalized like you are now for being in a group.

Since nobody will be able to leave group anymore, it's not really a penalty.

The penalty is that you only get 4 kills of honor per person/day, and for those four kills, you share the honor in your raid. So this change hurts the solo Rank 14 guy, but doesn't hurt anyone else.

• Darkmyst · 07/18/06, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Interesting that you can't leave a battleground raid anymore... no more solo honor farmers I guess - will this change the rate at which people grind to rank 14? And why the hell would they make raid boss emotes spam your screen?
Oh and I'm pretty pumped about being able to control iTunes on my Mac.

Well you also have to realize that cross servers BGs change the dynamics of ranking up in more ways than one. With a much larger pool of players to draw from it's likely in some BGrps you'll have BGs up around the clock. Those with more hours will be able to put in more hours. The temptation of exploit this via tag teaming will get a few people banned/suspended though. I already know of a few people who were using team efforts to rank up 14 that got nailed by the hack checks Blizzards puts in for farmers (excessive online hours from multiple IP addresses over the course of a few days).

• Shalas · 07/18/06, 2:20 PM

Also, with a bigger pool of pvpers DR should hurt less, as you're much less likely to get the same opposing team multiple times.

Fendryl · 07/18/06, 5:17 PM

No more sync channels.

This may or may not be a blessing. I had to leave the damage meter sync channel because of the significant lag it'd create, despite asking people to not sync other than at very specific times, people don't listen. If damage meters starts spamming the hidden channel & it lags people out at inopportune times I'm not going be in the least bit happy.

Kalman · 07/18/06, 6:16 PM

Originally Posted by Fendryl

No more sync channels.

This may or may not be a blessing. I had to leave the damage meter sync channel because of the significant lag it'd create, despite asking people to not sync other than at very specific times, people don't listen. If damage meters starts spamming the hidden channel & it lags people out at inopportune times I'm not going be in the least bit happy.

Social, not technical, problem. If you don't like sync lag, turn sync off entirely until you're ready to sync.

• Wodin · 07/18/06, 6:18 PM

Originally Posted by fishwaffle

I heard that Hemo was stealth-normalized, can anybody confirm or deny?

Deny. People are dumb and see Hemo doing less damage than SS with the gear they get on test, and assume that OMG it's normalized(discounting the fact that you need really sick gear for it to go higher, not just the very good gear you get on a premade).

Torael_7 · 07/18/06, 7:34 PM

Originally Posted by Wodin

Originally Posted by fishwaffle

I heard that Hemo was stealth-normalized, can anybody confirm or deny?

Deny. People are dumb and see Hemo doing less damage than SS with the gear they get on test, and assume that OMG it's normalized(discounting the fact that you need really sick gear for it to go higher, not just the very good gear you get on a premade).

It's kind of amusing how we dont consider full Tier 2 to be "really sick" anymore.

Chiquihuite · 07/19/06, 2:12 PM

Before the recent disbandment of my guild, the rogues wouldn't even wear their Bloodfang on raids. Whenever we asked they said they liked the look of Bloodfang better, but considered their Nightslayer to be stronger raid DPS gear. This keeping in mind of course that we NEVER saw: Bloodfang Bracers, Belt, Boots or Shoulders drop...EVER(yay 6x Netherwind Bindings, 5x Netherwind Belt, 7x Netherwind Boots, 2x Netherwind Mantle). But aside from the shoulders not dropping, and that being mainly for looks, they really didn't seem to care much.

Sicks · 07/19/06, 2:18 PM

Bloodfang has always been more sidegrade than true upgrade. I'm still wondering why Blizzard nerfed the procrate of the 8 piece all those moons ago. It has nothing on Netherwind 8 piece and the like. WtB Proc that lets my next Special Attack cost 0 Energy!

• Maestroquark · 07/19/06, 3:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sicks

Bloodfang has always been more sidegrade than true upgrade.

As a whole it's an upgrade, it's just not so impressive due to those +dodge pieces.

I'm still wondering why Blizzard nerfed the procrate of the 8 piece all those moons ago.

*Sigh* ... this wasn't a straight out nerf, it was bad communication on Blizzard's part (go figure). The old way proc'd more, yes. The old way also used spell crit instead of melee crit. During that test patch, one rogue (forget who) did some calculations and given the old and new procrates, the new one began to surpass the old one in DPS at around 30% crit. Not a particularly hard number to reach.

The nerf to it was to the healing part - it can't crit, so it didn't benefit from the crit change.