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Old 07/20/06, 7:19 AM   #1
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I've read Greyswandirs thread from the official US boards, however since then there have been only a few bits of information about this incredible weapon.

Since I got my first arm last saturday I'm interested whether wielding a second one really increases the procc rates as Greyswandir claims. I tried to measure the procrate with procwatch, my offhand is a pugio. After about 5 hours of testing (PVP, farming, raiding) I established a PPM of slightly above 5 procs as well as a very similar proc per hit ratio (I estimate that Procwatch counts MH as well as OH swings). Can anybody confirm this finding?

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Old 07/20/06, 7:33 AM   #2
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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...=1#post1369013

That's about as comprehensive a find as I can provide to you.

The 16-20 ppm "reports" honestly do seem very overblown, but who knows? It could be true. It's a gamble though; if they are incorrect, then you just lost a good amount of dkp on a sub-par offhand.

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Old 07/20/06, 7:48 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Forcena
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=1369013&p=1&tmp=1#post1369013

That's about as comprehensive a find as I can provide to you.

The 16-20 ppm "reports" honestly do seem very overblown, but who knows? It could be true. It's a gamble though; if they are incorrect, then you just lost a good amount of dkp on a sub-par offhand.
Thx for that link. Still no solid data imho. As you say, gambling on superb proc rates means risking to tak a big hit in terms of dkp :)

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Old 07/20/06, 8:24 AM   #4
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This is what one of our rogues tallied up on proc watch after he got his. Hope this helps.

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Old 07/20/06, 8:30 AM   #5
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What kind of offhand weapon does he use? Was this tallied only in raids or also in situations where snd is not sustained?

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Old 07/20/06, 8:44 AM   #6
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These stats were calculated while farming in EPL i believe for the above stated time. It wasnt in a raid situation. I believe he uses that one mace that drops off the AQ trash for his offhand. He is mace spec. Don't quote me on the offhand though. If i could access CTProfiles from work i could tell you for sure.

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Old 07/20/06, 10:59 AM   #7
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Since it's an "Equip" effect has anyone tested what all can kidns of damage can fire the proc?

I keep meaning to corner the rogue in my giuld that has the arm and do some testing to with Flametongue totem to see if FT procs can also fire Servo Arm procs. If that's the case then it's likely any direct damage can fire the proc - if that's the case then, well, wowzers!

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Old 07/20/06, 11:06 AM   #8
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Forgive me for being OT - but how does GOA/SOE/FT stack up vs WF/SOE? Would that combo be good sustained damage wise on a combat daggers rogue since their speed is very quick?

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Old 07/20/06, 11:24 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Deris
Forgive me for being OT - but how does GOA/SOE/FT stack up vs WF/SOE? Would that combo be good sustained damage wise on a combat daggers rogue since their speed is very quick?
Well GoA and SoE = AP so what ever the impact of adding 154 (or ~180 AP talented) is what that part of the equation yields. As for FT on combat dagger rogues - it's probably not worth it since the rogues in question have no +spell DMG gear (assuming +spell DMG gear even applies to the totem version of FT - I'll test that on my shaman the next time I'm on). Even if it does it's not likely to be a winner since the rogue won't have that much +spell dmg and a lot of +spell dmg is a key part of what makes FT so good for shaman.

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Old 07/20/06, 11:32 AM   #10
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Regarding the damage question, dual fiery on servos sounds gimmicky.

To FT totem, it should not work with +spell damage (the weapon buff only gets 10%).
The strength of FT totem is it does fire damage, so it goes through armor. I guess if you had weak weapons, the free attack may not be as good as the extra fire damage/Agility.

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Old 07/20/06, 11:38 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Demi9OD
If it can truly proc off of any damage caused by the rogue, duel fiery/lifestealing would be pretty rediculous on two servos. If anyone has a pair and has not yet enchanted them yet, fiery is cheap and would give the data we'd need on how the discharge is triggered. You should see 25+ ppm with duel fiery servos with insta poison if it can really proc off anything.
Got crusader on mine the same evening I looted it.. :(

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Old 07/20/06, 12:08 PM   #12
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Haven't seen one drop yet, but when it does, I think I will put fiery on it as a test, or I will talk whoever gets it into putting fiery onto it and see if we can get more data. I can't decide if I want it to drop before an AQR for us or not at this point :/

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Old 07/20/06, 12:31 PM   #13
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Pure speculation here but if it can be proc'd by any source of direct damage imagine one of these on a tank with a Thorium shield spike, Nagle ring, Thorns, Ret Aura. Hmmmmm

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Old 07/20/06, 12:35 PM   #14
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Hm, I might test this thesis. Setup would be a druid buffing thorns. After that you start a duel and start to get hit by somebody. I unfortunately don't own an item that throws back physical damage as the thorium spike does.

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Old 07/20/06, 12:39 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Darkmyst
Pure speculation here but if it can be proc'd by any source of direct damage imagine one of these on a tank with a Thorium shield spike, Nagle ring, Thorns, Ret Aura. Hmmmmm
dont forguet essence of the pure flame. Would be fantastic when farming also.


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