Elitist Jerks
Register
Blogs
Urban Rivals
Forums
New Posts


Go Back   Elitist Jerks > Public Discussion > Public Discussion
Elitist Jerks Login

gamerDNA Login

Welcome to Elitist Jerks
We're testing some new features on the site regarding OpenID registration and coordination with gamerDNA. If you experience any issues with registering an account, please take the time to fill out a report and send it to this e-mail address. We would appreciate any assistance you could provide in making sure everything is functioning as intended. Thanks!

If this is your first visit, please be sure to check out the FAQ and the forum rules. Users must register to post and new registrations are subject to a one day "mute" period to get acquainted with the community.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07/21/06, 7:58 AM   #1
Sienna
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
With lightning reflexes 8 agility gives slightly more damage than 24 AP in total where ZG enchant has 1% to hit and 10 stamina which is very nice for Naxx where +hit is needed. But in terms of pure dps, 1% haste seems better than all since after a while 8 agi or 24 AP don't increase your dps by 1%. So I'm thinking to actually remove my ZG enchants on my dps gear and put 1% haste.
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 8:11 AM   #2
Brissa
Not enough rage
 
Brissa's Avatar
 
Gnome Warrior
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
1% haste wont increase your DPS by 1% since it doesnt lower your multishot cooldown and such
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 8:11 AM   #3
Umph
Soda Popinski
 
Umph's Avatar
 
Umph
Tauren Druid
 
No WoW Account
8*1.15 = 9.2 = 9 = 18ap?

ZG enchant.

Haste also doesn't affect ranged weapons, unless it's been changed recently.
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 9:47 AM   #4
Brissa
Not enough rage
 
Brissa's Avatar
 
Gnome Warrior
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by ruro
8*1.15 = 9.2 = 9 = 18ap?
It also gives crit
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 9:52 AM   #5
Gonkish
BEST. HUNTARD. EVER.
 
Gonkish's Avatar
 
Orc Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
ZG enchant > all other librams, currently.

Why Hunters suffer...
How can you help?
I can shoot things and then make my pet move toward them.
Benefactor's Bar learns you some goodness quicklike...
Originally Posted by Shaker View Post
It's like Xi mad libs. Fill in with your latest opinion that nobody cares about!
 
User is online.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 10:16 AM   #6
Umph
Soda Popinski
 
Umph's Avatar
 
Umph
Tauren Druid
 
No WoW Account
Originally Posted by Brissa
Originally Posted by ruro
8*1.15 = 9.2 = 9 = 18ap?
It also gives crit
A marginal amount, I didn't think it was worth mentioning. ZG is > all, as gonk said.
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 10:58 AM   #7
Sienna
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
8*1.15*1.10 in raids with kings. I'm not talking about solo damamge. Together with kings and the crit rate it gives currently it gives a bit more dps in my build than 24 AP.
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 11:00 AM   #8
Sienna
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
And as far as I know haste does increase ranged as well.
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 11:26 AM   #9
Decker
Piston Honda
 
Orc Hunter
 
Kargath
ZG enchant. +STA ftw.

http://www.paradosi.net
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 12:08 PM   #10
Tzeni
Piston Honda
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Bonechewer
I don't understand why you're so interested in such marginal improvements in dps (for you +8 agi is only a tiny bit worse than zg enchant) when you could make a much bigger improvment in dps by changing spec.

EDIT: And I wouldn't be putting on a haste enchant since that really only helps if you're just autoshotting... and I never just autoshot, even as a horde hunter, on any fight where dps matters.
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 12:24 PM   #11
 frmorrison
Divine Protector
 
frmorrison's Avatar
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Mal'Ganis
If you want to increase you dps, do something like a 5/31/15 spec and keep your ZG enchants.

1% to haste will increase your autoattack damage by 1%, but nothing to aimed/multi, while ZG affects all three.

Really, nothing except the Nax enchants can touch ZG enchants, no matter your build.

DK - Ashbane Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.
 
User is online.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 12:37 PM   #12
Sienna
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Actually on survival build like I said ZG enchant gives less dps than 8 agility. At least with my stats. The difference is tiny of course and I'm not gonna loose 10 stamina for that.
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 12:43 PM   #13
 frmorrison
Divine Protector
 
frmorrison's Avatar
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Mal'Ganis
ZG enchant gives 1 to hit and 24 AP and 10 stam.

Even with your non-ideal raiding build, that makes the 8 agilty into 10 agilty (20 RAP around .4 to crit). If you aren't at the 8.6% hit cap, then ZG is clearly better, past the hit cap agility may be better, but you are forgetting that you can never go wrong with more stamina.

DK - Ashbane Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.
 
User is online.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 1:37 PM   #14
Sienna
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Yes. That's why I stated "considering sole dps only".
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 3:10 PM   #15
Rabid Rob
Piston Honda
 
Rabid Rob's Avatar
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Dragonblight
In my experience...

+8 Agi will give a tiny bit more DPS if you meet these requirements:

Full Lightning Relfexes
Blessing of Kings
already have +8 tohit or +5 skill and +7 tohit

and I do mean tiny.
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 4:07 PM   #16
kharen
Don Flamenco
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
The Venture Co (EU)
Wouldn't the haste enchant have precisely zero effect most of the time, given the limitations imposed on autoshot dps by shot rotations, as has been exhaustively covered in other threads here recently?
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 6:59 PM   #17
 Shalas
Bald Bull
 
Shalas's Avatar
 
Undead Priest
 
Mal'Ganis
With a Rhok'Delar it'd shave a tenth of a second off the cycle (10.5 -> 10.4), resulting in about 1% more dps.
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 8:51 PM   #18
Gonkish
BEST. HUNTARD. EVER.
 
Gonkish's Avatar
 
Orc Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
This is a lot like the arcane/serpent sting builds that float around constantly. It's speculation and theorycraft and not much more. In practice you'll simply either not notice the difference, or have it be so miniscule that it might as well be unnoticeable.

Considering the nature of encounters I generally have always preferred the ZG enchants. With them I have no need for excess +hit gear. I have more RAP which is always a nice thing to have. I have more stamina so I can survive the increasingly nasty AE abilities bosses frequently end up having. In short, it's simply a much more tangible benefit than a very marginal increase in DPS do to a small increase in crit or what have you. Absolute min/max theorycrafting is nice and all but in practice it suffers when compared to common sense, in my opinion.

Why Hunters suffer...
How can you help?
I can shoot things and then make my pet move toward them.
Benefactor's Bar learns you some goodness quicklike...
Originally Posted by Shaker View Post
It's like Xi mad libs. Fill in with your latest opinion that nobody cares about!
 
User is online.
Reply With Quote
Old 07/21/06, 9:57 PM   #19
red
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Laughing Skull
Originally Posted by kharen
Wouldn't the haste enchant have precisely zero effect most of the time, given the limitations imposed on autoshot dps by shot rotations, as has been exhaustively covered in other threads here recently?
I've never played a hunter, but I was under the impression that haste effects reduced the casting time of aimed shot (although still not helping with multishot cooldown). Is that true?
 
User is offline.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Elitist Jerks > Public Discussion > Public Discussion

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mongoose Enchant & Hunters Xaviar The Dung Heap 4 03/19/07 6:31 AM
new healing helm enchant Fudge The Dung Heap 2 02/07/07 7:38 PM