Now please don't flame call me newb... I just received a heart of hakkar today... now I'm a big pvp healer I have heal for many good pvp groups (EJ, Aeternus, Nocturn, SoS, ect.) but I can't decide between Zandalarian Hero Charm and Zandalarian Hero Badge.

http://thottbot.com/?i=51326 heres the Charm
http://thottbot.com/?i=51829 heres the Badge

I mean when im going up against <Retribution> or <Validus> <Sould Out> ect.
and were meeting and I have 2 warriors charge me I want to survive or possible buy more time for my Dps'rs to kill their healers. But the only thing holding be back from grabbing the ZHB is that every other caster gets the ZHC for the +dmg and +healing for obvious reasons. I mean I probably won't end up using it over a Rejuvination Gem (forget the name) and Shard of the Scale from Onyxia. So for PvE it won't help so its purely based off PvP. /discuss

Defence isnt very useful in pvp condsidering that if its a rogue/warrior attacking you. You would need ~800 defence in PvP to reduce the chance to 0% of getting crit due to the fact rogues/warriors have 30% crit chance.

IMO the hero charm would be more useful in the long term as it would be both useful in PvP (should you decide to go shadow or heal) and in PvE for burst healing compared to the slight benefit of the ZHB in PvP only

I took the ZHC, but I don't think you can go wrong either way. I've tried the heavy defense/HP/armor type of priest and I definitely use itemrack to switch that way on occasion, but for the majority of PvP I find having stronger heals is ideal. Unfortunately, I have this "thing" where I always lose rolls on hibernation crystals.

At times when you're not being attacked, but someone (like the flag carrier) is being attacked heavily, the burst healing is fantastic. I have PI and use it with the ZHC when it's up. It's also not that bad as a self-defense tool, either. You drop huge renews on yourself -- there's occasions where I get halfway lucky with martyrdom's chance to block interrupts and am able to keep myself up with PI/ZHC with comical amounts of rogues on me. It's also useful when you're by yourself or need to DPS for whatever reason and need the extra damage.

Er, rereading your post, I noticed you don't mention your class and I'm just assuming priest. I know it's great for NS's if you're a druid or shaman too.

If you're looking for a trinket that can increase your damage output for farming/pvp you should pick up a ToEP. I've never really been a fan of activate trinkets for healing.

For small scale pvp healing the ZHB is pretty amazing. I'm a huge advocate of armor/stam in a pvp healing set -- the more punishment you can take, the longer the rest of your party has to hurt your opponent. ZHB is even better if you haven't really started collecting a ton of high armor cloth pieces due to diminishing returns on armor. An on demand ~20% physical damage reduction is just too good situationally to justify taking the ZHC.

It's far easier to learn to position yourself and CC people better than it is to stack on another few hundred +healing in PvP armor. 2000 armor isn't really enough mitigation that it's going to make a huge difference when you've got multiple melees on you, but all that extra +healing from ZHC is going to help a lot when you're healing someone getting trained. I'd definitely take ZHC, I went with it and use it all the time for PvP healing.

ZHB if you do a lot of 5v5s or stuff like WSG with organised teams. The strength of ZHB is not using it, it's simply having it. With enough stamina/armor gear, you can transfer the focusfire from yourself to your cloth casters (who, in turn, should be wearing some stamina gear). You know your armor/hp gear is good enough as a PvP healer when you're no longer being attacked.

Priests like you are the reason Hunters like me have to wear Badge of the Swarmguard!

I had the GM's swap my Charm to Badge the day after getting it, after realizing Shard/R.Gem is a better PvE combo, and that my Charm would be relagated to my bank.

As a shaman, I find it nice to push 8k armor when dueling, or when getting pulled out of freezing trap. I pop it the second a rogue hits adrenaline rush, or if I see a ZHM go off.

Im not sure of the difference it makes or how many times it has saved me. But it *feels* like im taking much less, and it scares people to see a shammy pop defensive stance ;)

I'm no healer, but I know that as a rogue, warriors absolutely loathe it when I pop my ZHB against them. Evasion + ZHB = you are essentially untouchable for any real form of damage.

Badge for sure. The +healing will barely make a difference, the armor is amazing.

I picked ZHC and I'm still trying to get the GM's to give me a badge. :(

You only get 2 or 3 item changes, so if you want the badge, hope you haven't already used those restorations.

The ZHC got nerfed recently, so I can understand why people want the armor trinket instead.

thank you all.. I'm going for the badge =)