Patchwerk: DPS analyzation - Page 2

Devlin · 07/25/06, 6:27 PM

Combat swords get double AR in this fight, which is a nice boost to our dps. But the question we want answered from this thread is how come our rogues are where they are, after hearing/seeing totally different results.

I usually have no problem keeping high dps, but this fight is severely hurting my dps, due to his annoying armor. I'm wondering if the Badge trinket ( http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21670 ) is to use over the +81 AP trinket. Anyone wanna do the maths? :D

Gwaihir · 07/25/06, 6:33 PM

Originally Posted by Morfina

Originally Posted by Zacard

Originally Posted by Morfina

...and the 4 hunters we brought had totems as well but no TSA.

What? All of your hunters are 21/30? While hunter damage isn't very impressive on Patchwerk, your raid would be better served if they dropped their pvp talents and went 5/31/15.

Well, isn't TSA better served if you just have one in the group with it? We have two hunters with TSA, but neither hunter was there today.

No, 5/31/15 is better DPS than 21/30, and it is STILL better DPS thaan 21/30 leaching TSA from a 5/31/15 hunter.

Morfina · 07/25/06, 6:42 PM

Originally Posted by Gwaihir

No, 5/31/15 is better DPS than 21/30, and it is STILL better DPS thaan 21/30 leaching TSA from a 5/31/15 hunter.

I'd love to see some math to support some of this, or some stated reasons for those of us not inclined in the ways of the hunter; If its at all possible =) "It says so on the EJ forums" doesn't quite go a long way :P

Kytrarewn · 07/25/06, 7:16 PM

Originally Posted by Morfina

Originally Posted by Gwaihir

No, 5/31/15 is better DPS than 21/30, and it is STILL better DPS thaan 21/30 leaching TSA from a 5/31/15 hunter.

I'd love to see some math to support some of this, or some stated reasons for those of us not inclined in the ways of the hunter; If its at all possible =) "It says so on the EJ forums" doesn't quite go a long way :P

Morfina, there's a pretty decent analysis of hunter specializations in this thread:

http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=7414

Morfina · 07/25/06, 7:25 PM

Originally Posted by Kytrarewn

Morfina, there's a pretty decent analysis of hunter specializations in this thread:

http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=7414

Yeah, I searched and felt like a noob afterwards. Thanks =)

Devlin · 07/25/06, 7:49 PM

whats worth mentioning is that all mages had flasks and most buffs available.

Xard · 07/25/06, 8:54 PM

Do you really only have three rogues on the fight? I could see that being a problem :)

Morfina · 07/25/06, 8:57 PM

Originally Posted by Xard

Do you really only have three rogues on the fight? I could see that being a problem :)

Considering the DPS from our mages far outshadowed that of our rogues (for the most part), not really :P

Afaik our mages didn't have any significant mana problems.

Devlin · 07/26/06, 8:25 AM

Originally Posted by Xard

Do you really only have three rogues on the fight? I could see that being a problem :)

yes we only had 3 rogues, but our overall dps was good, and we would have made the kill within the timeframe with that dps.

Avair · 07/26/06, 10:03 AM

If one were looking for a pre-Naxx test mob to evaluate your raids DPS, how do you guys feel Ebonroc stacks up? We have been looking at Ebonroc as a good scenario to say, ok guys, max your buffs, balls out and let's see where we end up. No special gear, no need to stop DPS, and if you are really OCD you can extend to fight to however long you need (6 min-7min) if you don't taunt off the MT.

From a pure DPS perspective, are there any significant differences that might make our comparison invalid? Our intial completely unbuffed run had rogue/DPS warriors ranging from 620-450 DPS, so we probably need some improvement. But what can be measured can be improved right?

Greybone · 07/26/06, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Avair

No special gear, no need to stop DPS, and if you are really OCD you can extend to fight to however long you need (6 min-7min) if you don't taunt off the MT.

Wing buffet will surely be a difference though?

Avair · 07/26/06, 10:21 AM

We use three tanks on Ebonroc, so there is generally never any significant threat loss with three Taunts available.

Maledict · 07/26/06, 10:21 AM

WIng buffets will affect warrior dps definitely - we use Ebonroc for parsing our rogues, mages, warlocks and hunters though, as they can completely ignore aggro and wing buffest and burn until he is dead.

Deathwing · 07/26/06, 10:33 AM

How does wing buffet affect warrior dps(negatively, that is)? If anything, wing buffet helps warrior dps. Just eat a couple when he isn't shadowflaming, and you're free to HS for a while.

And how can warlocks ignore agro? Or are they running in to eat a wing buffet too?

Maledict · 07/26/06, 10:38 AM

Because all our warriors are taunting on ebonroc just to make him die faster, and because when hit by a wingbuffet, you go flying through the air - dropping your DPS noticeably over that time period.

And our warlocks ignore aggro simply because the warriors keep ahead of them on that fight. He's dead before any sort of aggro ceiling is reached on him, and with 5 warriors chain taunting, there's always someone with more aggro around.