Warrior 1H and 2H DPS - Page 3

Vanick · 07/26/06, 5:09 PM

It would indeed be too powerful. The duration of Deep Wounds is such that you would basically never stop stacking it even as a single warrior. The Deep Wounds/Impale line is an amazing set of talents. If it wasn't for the duration being reset like it is with Deep Wounds then warrior white crits would be 260% damage and yellow crits would be up to 280%.

Thorb · 07/26/06, 5:12 PM

Originally Posted by malic

Originally Posted by Thorb

Why do people always assume MS with 2-h?Put both imo or put fury? Might of Menethil will take it's rightfull place at the top, Sulfuras should not be 12 in whatever list you do anyway.

Heh. I've never really tried 2h fury. Mostly cause I hate the incredibly slow swing speed of most 2h'ers.

What do you use usually? Just bloodthirst/whirlwind?

Why do you think it's even different?

It's the same thing. You can expect a higher flurry uptime due to how specials work, you will do less overpower but higher numbers of ww/op/hs.

Valar · 07/26/06, 5:21 PM

Noticed a couple little things, the HW Right Claw's ap isn't the same as the other HW weapons (20 instead of 28) and the CTS "BT Hit" cell has Thunderfury's nature dmg calculations in it.

Kalman · 07/26/06, 5:39 PM

Offhands don't have their proc rates halved. Offhands just don't benefit from MH instants.

suicuique · 07/26/06, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by Kalman

Offhands don't have their proc rates halved. Offhands just don't benefit from MH instants.

I second that.

regards

malic · 07/26/06, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by Kalman

Offhands don't have their proc rates halved. Offhands just don't benefit from MH instants.

Already known, and Mainhands do benefit from offhand rage gain. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the offhand for a dual wielding fury warrior is a utility weapon, is it not?

How else would you suggest quantifying the value of the rage you gain from your offhand weapon?
Or do you guys always live in la-la-land where you have infinite rage?

sekdar · 07/26/06, 6:54 PM

Originally Posted by malic

Half the point of Impale is the 150+/tick deep wounds that 2h'ers see with it. Dual wielding, the times I do get to see a deep wounds tick, it's at ~60-68/tick, and often it will only tick once right before I crit again, resetting its timer. Also, I can overwrite my own 100+/tick (bloodfury/deathwish) deep wounds with a 60+/tick deep wounds after both my buffs wear off. It's just not worth it if you're dual wielding.

17 talent points for ~6dps gain? Screw that. I personally find a better usage out of 3 point heroic strike, improved execute, improved berserker rage.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=phhxzhbZVV0VgxoVo

Imp. HS and Imp. Execute are not mutually exclusive with the Impale line. Anger Management pasively adds a similar amount of rage in long fights as Improved Berserker Rage, and does it for only one point.

Going of of the above talent setup, I don't see any better way to spend 8 talent points for PVE DPS.

Edit: Deep Wounds sucks without a 2h. No dispute there.

Kalman · 07/26/06, 7:06 PM

Originally Posted by malic

2) I haven't gone and messed with proc rates offhand yet. In fact, most of the mainhand procs are "guessed" at 5% since I have no hard evidence of what they are. Yes, I'm aware that offhands have their proc rates halved. Use your eyes and your brains. This isn't meant to be a be-all-end-all de-facto comparison.

Originally Posted by malic

Originally Posted by Kalman

Offhands don't have their proc rates halved. Offhands just don't benefit from MH instants.

Already known

If you know it, you might want to avoid saying the opposite.

malic · 07/26/06, 7:08 PM

Originally Posted by sekdar

Imp. HS and Imp. Execute are not mutually exclusive with the Impale line. Anger Management pasively adds a similar amount of rage in long fights as Improved Berserker Rage, and does it for only one point.

Going of of the above talent setup, I don't see any better way to spend 8 talent points for PVE DPS.

Edit: Deep Wounds sucks without a 2h. No dispute there.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pA0LZVVzVgxRio
is my current build.

I basically refuse to make any fury build without improved intercept. I use it entirely too much both pve and pvp to not spend 2 points on it.

What is this Anger Management passive thing? It actually adds rage over time? I've heard about it in a few places, but never read any explanations of what happens that Anger Management actually GIVES you rage.

BTW sek. Haven't seen you around lately. Where'd you go?

malic · 07/26/06, 7:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kalman

Originally Posted by malic

2) I haven't gone and messed with proc rates offhand yet. In fact, most of the mainhand procs are "guessed" at 5% since I have no hard evidence of what they are. Yes, I'm aware that offhands have their proc rates halved. Use your eyes and your brains. This isn't meant to be a be-all-end-all de-facto comparison.

Originally Posted by malic

Originally Posted by Kalman

Offhands don't have their proc rates halved. Offhands just don't benefit from MH instants.

Already known

If you know it, you might want to avoid saying the opposite.

Reformatted for your benefit.

sekdar · 07/26/06, 7:23 PM

Originally Posted by malic

I basically refuse to make any fury build without improved intercept. I use it entirely too much both pve and pvp to not spend 2 points on it.

What is this Anger Management passive thing? It actually adds rage over time? I've heard about it in a few places, but never read any explanations of what happens that Anger Management actually GIVES you rage.

BTW sek. Haven't seen you around lately. Where'd you go?

Oh. PVP changes things.

As for Anger Management, all warriors lose 3 rage per tick constantly. In combat, warriors generate 3 rage per tick - this is what causes your rage to maintain itself while in combat and decay while out. AM reduces this global decay to 2 rage per tick, so in practice you get 1 rage every tick in combat, and only lose 2 per tick when out.

I've heard that 1 tick is 2 seconds. I've heard 1 tick is 3. Depending on which calculation you use, AM either comes close to, or exceeds Imp. Berserker Rage's rage generation over time. Once again, PVP is another story and 10 rage instantly can be a godsend.

I haven't gone anywhere [yet]. There's not much left to do on Dunemaul Alliance side except farm old content or PVP rank, neither of which appeal to me.

Malorum · 07/26/06, 8:17 PM

Reroll horde imo Sek :P

malic · 07/26/06, 9:44 PM

spreadsheets updated to handle:
reduced offhand proc rate
2h fury (sorry, but hand of rag still sucks)
removed cts's nature proc (and while I was at it, found a whole bunch of mis-links in the sheet *sigh*)
probably some other things, but i forget now.

Emth · 07/27/06, 5:02 AM

BRE being below Spinal is misleading :(

I go to sleep with my BRE at night.

• frmorrison · 07/27/06, 9:37 AM

Originally Posted by Emth

BRE being below Spinal is misleading :(

I would think that BRE would do harder hits than Spinal due to the armor debuff proc on the weapon.

Servo Arm may be a little low on the 1H ranking, it seems that proc goes off a lot.