So we've been throwing ourselves at Thaddius lately and every single attempt is ruined by people disconnecting, not moving at all due to lag or seeing themselves in different positions. We've tried having the ones with less than stellar connections off ventrilo (reducing the disconnects), turning down all the gfx settings, it just doesn't seem to help :(

Do any of the top guilds have this guy on farm status, reliably killing him on one of the first attempts? Or is it based on getting lucky?

I have a pretty good rig and even though I have FPS slowdowns, I make it to the other side every time. However, when the polarity check occurs, I usually get a few seconds lag on my skills. I'm wondering if it's that much worse on low-end computers. Could it be that some of the less attentive players use the lag excuse even if it's their fault for being too slow?

Are there any specific tweaks that can be done to the graphics settings that would reduce the "FPS lag" that apparently causes people to not be in the right place?

Does everyone on old server hardware experience skill lag during/after polarity checks? Is it even any different on new hardware?

Any tips on dealing with this would be greatly appreciated!

I posted this on our forums, and some seem to like it. See if this helps reducing some of the "lag".

http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1644

Basically disable the mods you don't need to get the encounter done.

-Turn off all mods
-disable all the chatwindows you can
-only attempt 2-3 times per soft reset
-use a spiral rather than direct swap to help people separate faster
-attempt at non peak times
-point your camera away from everyone/down during polarity shifts
-pray

They're about my only suggestions. We're stuck on one of the original 20 dud servers and we even have additional lag problems because half our guild are australian. We have around 10-15 ppl who simply cannot do Thaddius because they lag/dc too much which is a real strain on a guild with only 55 or so active raiders. Most of the rest of us have slowdown during polarity and ~1second ability lag through the encounter. Its slightly worse for the aus people and slightly better for the us guys (but you wouldn't know it from the amount they complain, damn bastards are spoilt with their 30 average ping)

Thanks for the suggestions.
I guess we'll even try the soft reset, does it really produce noticeable results for you? I'm guessing the instance sessions are dumped to an archive after a soft reset?

Try doing it really early or late servertime.

Very noticeable increase in lag after a few wipes. I (and many others) assume its due to the buildup in skelletons near Thaddius. Not sure what ultimately causes it but its definately there. Really annoying having to sit out for 30 minutes after a couple of sub 10% wipes only to have someone zone in early TT.

Unfortunately almost all of our wipes are due to the enrage so we all die at Thaddius's feet and we havent found a way of ressing from there (not that we've tried very hard). If anyone soulstones up or gets di'd near thaddius, they seem to get put back in combat instantly for us, so its a no go on ressing up. But yes, if something goes wrong with phase 1 we retreat and make sure we don't release.

We tried it this way for awhile but we found it was too time consuming and people were still getting hit. The direct movement between spots appears to be the most effective.

Huh. Maybe DI won't work, but you can absolutely soulstone back up on this fight (or reinc -- nerf Horde clearly). You just have to stay dead and make sure everyone is dead (or feigned -- f hunters) until the doors reopen and the wights respawn. Then you can pop up and stay out of combat.

Don't click off DI, or use the SS until Thaddius reappears. If you use it before he reappears, you'll get stuck in combat.

Yeah, that almost certainly would be the problem. Whenever we've tried it, the person with ss or di would pop back up straight away, most likely before the encounter had properly reset. Thanks for the tip :D

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We finally got a spot of no-lag and our dps went up over 45% and dropped the guy in 4:35 as horde. This fight is all about your server. We're on one of the crappy PvP west-coast launch servers where your reported latency says 1200-2000 for up to 3 hours a night. Although the real lag only seems to last 2 hours a night.

There are polarization techniques to help out on crappy servers like ours though... Staying up late is probably the hardest part in the end... but the amount by which your dps changes based on time of day is just staggering... I honestly wish I had frapsed some of our attempts, people's jaw would hit the floor with the level of lag we're talking about here.

All the old cluster servers are really big pieces of ****. Only the ones with new hardware are Naxx playable in my opinion. Hence the recent transfers to Mal'Ganis and other new hardware servers. (Although now it seems that Mal'Ganis is pretty full =/)

I find that statement somewhat ironic since you're one of the most recent guilds to transfer to Mal'Ganis.

It's actually really interesting how servers on older hardware that are getting overloaded both assist some fights and hinder others. Razorgore is much easier with a lagged server since the mobs don't hit as hard. Then there's a fight like Thaddius where the lag hinders you.

Also, the "I didn't see myself in the place" arguement doesn't work. Because of the way networking works, if you do NOT see yourself as ahead of everyone else running from one polarity positions to another, you're already too slow and you're going to fuck up. You see people move after they've transmitted their movement to the server then to you, but you see yourself move immediately when you push the buttons to move.

Basically it's summed up like this: In any fight where the entire raid or group has to move to a particular position, if you do not see yourself leading everyone else, you are too slow and fucking up. This is true on all position based fights such as running into C'Thun's room, Thaddius and Heigan.

My guild has 9 bosses down in Naxx and have been working on Thaddius, but as a launch server, it is just really bad. We plan to stay up late for some serious attempts this week, but killing him consistantly will be a big problem. I hope they fix him, our servers, or something to make him killable at a normal raid time.