• Maestroquark

With all due respect, I'm not going to believe this until I see some sort of parse/screenshot showing it. I've never noticed my Backstab missing since I respecced. Ever. Every time I noticed it didn't hit/crit, I've seen Dodge (and very rarely Parry) in its place.

What are you waiting for, a certain shade of green?

 

• Cluey

This is something I looked into while getting to go feral on MC runs.
Prior to the 1.10 patch with 6% to hit I never missed in MC.
After the 1.10 patch I was getting the occasional miss with 8%.

It would be good if there was a way of only tracking against level 63's as my misses with 8% were over the whole run of MC not just the bosses.

The data from that run had me thinking that druids, at least, had the same to hit mechanics as what hunters believe they do:
1.2% per level above you.

I wasn't able to get any of the rogues I run with to test this and our only warrior with enough gear and the oportunity to test it properly likes topping the damage meter ALL the time, so getting him to do some testing while the meter is running will be damn close to impossible :(

I had been wondering how best to ask this as when I tried on the WoW forums it went nowhere, now it has been brought up here would anyone like to test it?

 

Cold

nvm

 

sp00n

I've had two backstab misses on the twin emperors in one single attempt, but unfortunately I didn't take the time to make a screenshot of this happening. Therefore have no proof.
Did not happen after that though.
If it ever happens again, I will think of making a ss. ;)

 

Emth

I'm sick of seeing 5.6%. Yes the logic points towards that but I've missed specials at 6% hit and I'm sure many others have too, however i've personally never missed one at 8%. I'm pretty sure no one knows for sure what the caps are, but one thing that is certain is that you can gain much more than 99% hit rate - with specials at least.

http://ctprofiles.net/404078

 

Wong-Fei-Hung

Miss rates for specials is 5%.

Miss rates on white dmg for Melee 2h is 5.6% against level 63.
Miss rates for Dual Wielding is 24.6% against level 63.

Now, because of the way the combat engine calculates hits and misses, it is still possible to miss, even if you were geared with 50% to hit!

I've missed against same level mobs wearing 10% to hit gear with a 2h weapon (I was too lazy to switch out of my DW gear :P)

I've also gone an entire week of raiding (BWL, MC, etc) without having a single miss. And this is with 6% to hit gear when using a 2h.

I've heard the 9% numbers before, but every time I've heard them, they've always come from hunters. This does not apply to 2h melee.

 

tjoertell

So in all this are we referring to %hit in general, or is it a given everyone has taken 5/5 Precision and we're talking %hit on top of the then "natural" 5%?

If one way, I'm sitting on 14% +hit and I miss specials enough to notice.
If the other way, I'm sitting on 9% +hit and I miss specials enough to notice.

 

Dwargue

are you 100% sure you're MISSING?

ie, the combat log is actually saying that you miss SS, BS, Evis, etc?

because dodge/parry/block is totally a completely different than MISS

 

• Vanick

As a warrior I missed Noth the other night with what I believe was 7% hit. I will try and get evidence next time this occurs.

 

tjoertell

You could be right, I'll have to pay a bit more attention next time as I can't say for sure I missed. However on that note I'll say that being parried/blocked is really irritating.

Also am I reading it right, in that the 5% precision skill is basically a given and the % based +hit numbers are simply gear-oriented?

 

Judia

No, I would like the flat numbers.
Do not assume any talents spells buffs, enchants or consumables ;)

 

kharen

With +14-15% hit, including the 5% from precision (mostly - got a bf chest and BoA this past week, so i'm up to 17% now), i've parsed 26246 sinister strikes with combatstats since i last reset it, with precisely 0 misses.

 

Xard

question was more can you miss with 7%, not with 14% ;) I'd hope with that much you'd never miss!

 

• Cluey

That is certainly the way it worked pre 1.10 for a druid but it does not work that way anymore.
You know this because you programed it, right?
I would like to see some proper testing of it since the 1.10 patch, it changed for druids and I don't think they would specifically change a melee combat mechanic for only one class.

 

Emth

So the general consensus is, there is no general consensus. It would be interesting to see a screenshot of combatstats or similar after a huge sample and say 1 miss (with a rogueish type hitrate of 12-14%). Such claims seem to be conjecture only at the moment, and even then it would be possible to be tainted by debuffs, resistance gear etc.

http://ctprofiles.net/404078

 

Judia

YEs Im quite amazed actually.
Given the value of 9% seems fairly well agreed on for hunters and Traq shot Im amazed noone has looked into this.

Could someone more statistical and methodical perhaps do some experimenting for us ?

 

Zagzil

I'm pretty sure everyone who has had about 10%+ hit since they removed the hit cap knows you can't miss. I can't recall ever missing in the last however many months since they fixed hit. If you missed, you'll notice a reason why eventually, because you literally should not be able to miss (specials) with appropriate gear.

 

Decker

Queue Lactose.

Anyway...I can't remember what the mechanics on ranged attacks would be as I know they're quite different from melee attacks (cannot be parried? What other mechanics are involved with ranged attacks).

I'd like to see a hit table for your average hunter.

http://www.paradosi.net

 

Starks

Lactose already covered ranged skill and +hit in this thread.

 

• Maestroquark

Ranged physical is miss, hit, or crit.

Melee physical is miss, hit, crit, parry, dodge, block, crush (mob v player), or glance (player v mob).

What are you waiting for, a certain shade of green?

 

Starks

Actually, ranged attacks can be blocked (At least partially).

 

Thorb

Btw the reason range attack work differently then melee attack thus the 5% + 0.2% cap on melee and 5% + 1.2% per lvl on range is pretty simple. Since range attack are physicaly spells or so in the mechanic they cannot glance, only miss/get resisted. That's why hunters can solo mobs that are so high level that no other class could, my personal high when I wasn't even trying is a +7 mobs where the major factor is pet aggro (since taunt is resisted and their attack glances).

So the dev when they added glancing blows probably asked themselves how they could give a penalty to range attack and came up with +1 to hit per level. Seem logical to me and it explain the 2 systems.

 

◊ Kalman

By mobs or by players only?

I ask because while there are known instances of PvP specials being both critted and blocked at the same time, no such thing has been observed on mobs.

 

◊ Shalas

 

sp00n

Sooo.
Happened again.
Fighting Vem, I was partly in my NR gear, but still with +8% tohit. Missed a backstab.




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