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Old 08/05/06, 3:51 AM   #1
FunkaliciousFrk
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Mannoroth
Hello, im a fury warrior, have been a fury warrior for a damn long time, but in the past couple of weeks i have been absolutely perplexed by a situation in my guild. As i said, im fury, 2 ms warriors in my guild have just recently got dark edge(we got 2 in 2 weeks), both of them are orc, i am undead. These two warriors I used to absolutely destroy in damage meters, and now i have to try extremely hard and pot more than usual to stay ahead, very slightly ahead. Here's the kicker, one of them picked up a spinal reaper(up from a bone reavers) not too long ago, and was catching up to me, this bothered me, and launched a very heated argument in our warrior channel about how +weapon skill racial adds far too much damage.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, my current gear is :

http://ctprofiles.net/284882

I want to know if i should use expert goldminer's helm + edgemaster's for bosses, i have been trying it out on a few bosses, and would like to know what i need to do to finally push my dps up and over what im currently doing.

Small note, im trying to make a LH helm, but all of my money right now is going straight into naxx repairs and consumables.

Thanks ^_^

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Old 08/05/06, 4:01 AM   #2
xarg
Piston Honda
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Blackrock
Looking at your gear, for raw pve dps I'd say your best/easiest upgrades are DFT, lionheart, and I guess a better ring :P

Having been fury for so long and collected that kind of gear, you're really doing yourself an injustice by not having a lionheart.

Edgemaster's would be a minimal upgrade I think, by looking at it on paper, but you're probably better off running the numbers through a spreadsheet.

You should probably also mention playstyle - what method do you use to dps? Spamstring + BT + imp OP? Imp cleave? etc etc. Cause really, with that gear, a good spec, and a good playstyle, you should be unstoppable.

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Old 08/05/06, 4:02 AM   #3
haruhi
Glass Joe
 
Murloc 
 
Edgemaster is a must for you at boss fight and LH helm is a lot better than what u have now .
Also 2h pretty much > dw at AE pulls.
Get recap and you will see there is a huge different between ms and dw fury at single target dps.

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Old 08/05/06, 4:08 AM   #4
FunkaliciousFrk
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Mannoroth
Well, as far as the trinket, hard to acquire, we started doing bwl again for the first time last week(we stopped as soon as we got to c'thun, haven't been back since last week), should be getting it soon. The ring is just the most horrible string of bad luck EVER(should have seen my other ring /sigh, good thing head of nef is 100% drop rate), i should have enough money to fund the rest of my LH helm this week(doing the isle of dread quest cause i finally got Broodlord head, gonna sell the recipe).

Ok, so playstyle, i usually start every fight off with a Fetish + Deathwish(so deathwish can come back up sooner). I ALWAYS make sure i have enough rage for bloodthirst and whirlwind as soon as its up, if i see overpower(i do have improved) i wait for bloodthirst, hit bloodthirst, shift to battle, and hit the overpower. If i get up to 43 rage, i use heroic strike(in case i get a couple misses, gotta make sure i have enough for bloodthirst), i usually do not use cleave, dont really have an issue with aggro(good tanks rule, gogo). But yea, that should be a decent run down of my everyday dps. Oh, also, i often save the second fetish/deathwish for execute spammage.

I just dont understand how/why i am being caught by warriors whom i find to be so much less geared than me, and i do believe that, to a large degree, its because of their racial.

edit - Lol, grats on not spelling acquire right.

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Old 08/05/06, 4:13 AM   #5
FunkaliciousFrk
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Mannoroth
Originally Posted by haruhi
Edgemaster is a must for you at boss fight and LH helm is a lot better than what u have now .
Also 2h pretty much > dw at AE pulls.
Get recap and you will see there is a huge different between ms and dw fury at single target dps.
Ya, i know, i check recap often and notice their WW damage is far superior to mine. Also, on fight's like maexxna, when i see the 5 second till spider spawn, i swap to a big twohander and whirlwind as soon as the spiders spawn(helps pad dps and kill the spiders faster).

Edit : Also, should i just use ONLY edgemasters and keep the lionheart helm or use edgemasters AND goldminer's?

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Old 08/05/06, 4:42 AM   #6
Gokes
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Trollbane
I can't see the profile since I'm at work, but for a rogue, +weapon skill let me run over 600 dps with a fang of the faceless

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Old 08/05/06, 5:00 AM   #7
xarg
Piston Honda
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Blackrock
Definitely edgemasters only.. Lionheart helm is going to be more of a dps increase than the effective +3 weapon skill.

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Old 08/05/06, 9:35 AM   #8
Erebus
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Murloc Warrior
 
Sylvanas (EU)
If your getting outdamaged by the DEoI MS warriors is a matter of your gear, meaning that you both have the same buffs and that you both play the ideal way to maximize your dps, then my thoughts on the gear you should change/use are these:

1) Lionheart should be your No1 prio. Conqueror offers rather poor dps-wise stats, whereas LH will give u a valuable +2%hit and 1,1% more crit. Goldminer's helm wont help your dps, because you will be losing too much damage on your special attacks, that cannot glance anyway, and i even doubt that your white damage will profit as well. Goldminer's low level quality cannot compensate for the stats a LH provides.

2) The question Edgemaster VS annihilation is rather a mathematic issue. Check your recap to see what percentage(%) of your total damage output comes from white damage. Then, you can use the formulas that show you the damage loss from glancing, so that you compare the white damage you will gain from edgemasters versus the damage you gain from the annihilation gloves' stats. If the question was edgemasters vs flameguards, i would strongly recommend edgemasters, but annihilation gloves offer far more stats and +hit that u also need, so i cant be that certain about changing them.

3) Make sure your critical is enough to keep your flurry up almost all of the time. If its not, then use pots to make up for it.

4) Consider using HoJ. Its among the best pre-naxxramas trinkets for dps warriors. And a new ring would be nice too;)

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Old 08/05/06, 10:29 AM   #9
Emth
Piston Honda
 
Undead Mage
 
The Venture Co (EU)
Windfury is the real difference. If you used the same gear with alliance you would completely smoke the 2h warriors, Windfury just benefits 2h so much more. Combine that with the Orc racial and thats pretty much why you're in that situation. I often resign myself to using BRE hamstring spam as it just creates so much damn Windfury DPS. As for Edgemaster's, yeah surprised you aren't using them already. Check out Deathwing's spreadsheet model on these forums if you haven't already.

http://ctprofiles.net/404078

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Old 08/05/06, 10:52 AM   #10
Carnitine
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Warrior
 
Blackhand
With your current setup, a goldminer's helm would help more than edgemasters. Your helm, as already mentioned, is not ideal, but your current gloves are, so you should replace the helm for +skill before your gloves. If you get a lionheart, your helm becomes better so stick with edgemasters.

Once this is done, just resign yourself to the fact that 2H weapons benefit a ton from windfury, and orcs benefit a ton from axes.

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Old 08/05/06, 11:04 AM   #11
Thorb
Piston Honda
 
Murloc Warrior
 
Lothar
Rune of the guard captain is shit and does not belong on that profile. +1 to hit by itself is not very good you know. Try to get at least the hand of justice? Farmable, there are ways to do emperor fast with 3 peoples apparently. Even if you get the drake fang talisman, hoj is still better then blackhand and will benefit you more.

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Old 08/05/06, 11:30 AM   #12
Shavnir
Mostly Harmless
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Thorb
Rune of the guard captain is shit and does not belong on that profile. +1 to hit by itself is not very good you know. Try to get at least the hand of justice? Farmable, there are ways to do emperor fast with 3 peoples apparently. Even if you get the drake fang talisman, hoj is still better then blackhand and will benefit you more.
A priest with holy nova and a warrior at that gearlevel can smoke BRD pretty reliably.

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Old 08/05/06, 2:52 PM   #13
Brissa
Not enough rage
 
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Gnome Warrior
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
This is a bit of topic but ill ask anyway

I have been a devout MS warrior for quite some time but due to having abyssmal drops for 2 hand people (no ashkandis) I am beginning to think about speccing fury.
A slow main hand is obviously the way to go for horde because of windfury but for alliance do I want a fast or slow mainhand?
A slow weapon will yield higher whirlwinds and a fast weapon will mean more heroic strikes and less rage loss on heroic striking but which of these factors is most important?
Since we have only killed huhu in AQ and Razu+Anub in Naxx my weapon choices are somewhat limited but Servo arm, Harbinger of doom and Iblis spring to mind.

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Old 08/05/06, 3:01 PM   #14
Carnitine
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Warrior
 
Blackhand
I'm not alliance, but I've heard that at extreme levels of gear, a faster mainhand is the way to go, due to HS spam with a sub 2.0 weapon being more efficient than WW when aggro is not an issue.

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Old 08/05/06, 5:50 PM   #15
Pyros
Bald Bull
 
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Undead Death Knight
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
HS spam, even with blessing of salavation, will get you killed, and will get you killed fast.

I'd say an "average" speed would probably work the best for alliance. Something not too slow but not too fast, like 2-2.20speed.
There's good weapons out of naxx, CTS, Crul, AQR. Only crul fits in the speed limit, but I think just having 2 good weapons will do the job. It's important to note that with slow weapons, you can take improved cleave and use that as a rage dump instead of HS. It's still way worse in terms of rage efficiency, but it generates way less threat too.

Also, if you use a HoJ, and a fast offhand, you'll get decent HoJ procs with a slow MH.

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