Anyways, the naxx sword itemization is kinda bothering, if you get a AQR youre gonna have to wait until Kel'thuzad to get a better mainhander (gee haww, horay).
Servo arm becomes an alternative mainhander with its superior dps, so im wondering what happens if you have MSA/iblis and swordspecc...
Afaik, OH swordspecc proccs trigger mainhand swings (or swingtimer resets), does this mean that if the OH does a swordprocc, the MSA does the hit? Or doesnt anything happen, it is a mace afterall...
As usual when i write a question on forums I realize that i see the answer while writing... Fuck swords, get daggers or dual servos until you have Kel'thuzad on farm.
Anyways ill make a comparison of best weapons pre Kel'thuzad:
Strange itemization indeed, not to mention that daggerspecc = <3 and macespecc = 2 free talent pts, while swordspecc gets servercalculated extraattacks.
Unless it's been changed OH sword spec procs trigger MH swings regardless of MH weapon.
I had AQR/Pugio and picked up a MSA. Figured the 7dps difference would easily make up for the lack of sword spec. Then I found the spreadsheets. Listed as only ~3dps upgrade with my gear. Pretty disappointing. I *really* hope I can find somewhere to put the 2 extra points I get in 1.12(from not needing Weapon Expertise) that will make up for the lack of a Sword Spec type proc.
First of all: dual servos will underperform when compared to offhanding pugio or iblis or another comparable OH weapon at the moment. I haven't done any calculation on how + 5 mace skill will impact on this one. Furthermore after 1.12 it doesn't make sense not to spec mace spec if you do wield a MSA due to the +5 mace skill. Neither is speccing sword spec, mace spec and weapon mastery attractive.
My personal view on weapon itemisation and my personal course of perfect upgrades will be:
MSA -pugio (actual weps) -> HC - Claw of the Frostwyrm. The only upgrade I might take is either iblis oder hod, if nobody else needs it. Else these upgrade are not significant enough to spend dkp on it imho.
First of all: dual servos will underperform when compared to offhanding pugio or iblis or another comparable OH weapon at the moment. I haven't done any calculation on how + 5 mace skill will impact on this one.
Well, im talking about speccs with 1.12 talents. Also it can be debated if aqr/iblis/swordspecc/weapexp will outperform tc/msa/macespecc with its 10 more dps, 2 free talent points and the stunprocc.
Originally Posted by Mem
Furthermore after 1.12 it doesn't make sense not to spec mace spec if you do wield a MSA due to the +5 mace skill.
Yes it does, very much so, especially if you have 2 maces. Guessing you meant "weap exp" where you wrote "mace spec".
HC = hungering cold....its now gressil I guess... well if you read the quoted sentence again, you will see, that we agree on this one :) Imho the castigator will be a close call. At the moment it doesn't work out that well...but that might change in 1.12.
Actually in all my calculations/loot-plans i totally disregard any Kel'thuzad loot, that goes for Sapphiron too.
This is because im confident it will take quite some time to get the kill. Therefore im looking at what loot to get when we approach Kel'thuzad.
If we assume a character with 8/9 bonsecythe, sticking with the 58dps ripper just doesnt seem very viable. Id be surprised if that would outperform a Death's Sting/HoD or The Castigator/MSA/MSA variation.
Also the dps spreadsheets that circulate the net usually assume a little bit here and a little bit there, so although they can point in a certain direction, i wouldnt bet my life on their results.
Unless it's been changed OH sword spec procs trigger MH swings regardless of MH weapon.
Sorry for bumping a thread as old as this one, but I've been wondering about the very same thing for quite a while now. Are there any _confirmed_ statements proving it right? And if there are, how many patches have they suffered through until now? I do remember a thread in the official forums about OH Procs resetting the MH Swing timer, so I'm pretty sure there's gotta be someone who parsed his Logs about MH Procs with weapons other than Swords triggered by an OH Sword as well.
Just didn't find anything yet. ;)
Anyone care to share?
"Mindless SS spamming'"? Yeah right, 'cause every time you hit Backstab you need to solve a short differential equation.
First of all: dual servos will underperform when compared to offhanding pugio or iblis or another comparable OH weapon at the moment. I haven't done any calculation on how + 5 mace skill will impact on this one.
Well, im talking about speccs with 1.12 talents. Also it can be debated if aqr/iblis/swordspecc/weapexp will outperform tc/msa/macespecc with its 10 more dps, 2 free talent points and the stunprocc.
Originally Posted by Mem
Furthermore after 1.12 it doesn't make sense not to spec mace spec if you do wield a MSA due to the +5 mace skill.
Yes it does, very much so, especially if you have 2 maces. Guessing you meant "weap exp" where you wrote "mace spec".
I can't find the proof, but yes, there is proof that OH sword swings proc MH attacks on sword spec proc, even if the MH isn't a sword.
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Seems odd that people complain they wait so long from getting an AQR when there are no fist upgrades since Firemaw and Claw of the Black Drake.
That's because swords and fists offer the same playstyle and are for the most part inter-changeable as long as (two of) either are available.
Maces too play the same way but suffer from a terrible weapon specialisation which results in gems like a Thaddius drop being strictly inferior (in terms of dps) to a Fankriss drop.
made the exact same post 2 days ago under a different name and it got locked..
no comparison threads the dude said.. whatever..
No, you cluttered the board with a thread that could have been resolved via the spreadsheets. This is a mechanics thread, albeit an old one.
To follow along the small derail, why didn't they just leave +5 Maces on Weap Ex? The spec is pretty good in 5mans, PvP and Solo PvE, giving Maces full damage glancings would make it keep up with swords.
made the exact same post 2 days ago under a different name and it got locked..
no comparison threads the dude said.. whatever..
No, you cluttered the board with a thread that could have been resolved via the spreadsheets. This is a mechanics thread, albeit an old one.
To follow along the small derail, why didn't they just leave +5 Maces on Weap Ex? The spec is pretty good in 5mans, PvP and Solo PvE, giving Maces full damage glancings would make it keep up with swords.
Because that would compromise the position of humans as -the- alpha sword/mace rogue.
For those who care: I tested it today, not willing to rely on thoughts & opinions rather than facts. ;)
Setup:
1001 Attacks (Miss, Dodge, Parry included),
750 Hits (Crits included), the Paladin I hit parried 8%, dodged 5% and I had a missrate of 12% left
17 Swordspec Procs (2,26%)
MH: Club, 1-3Dmg, Speed 1.9 (+ AP: ØHit 25,58 ØCrit58,84)
OH: CTS, 106-198Dmg, Speed 2.6 (+ AP: ØHit 74,39 ØCrit 171)
Equip: I wore DFT, Accuria, OTP + FRR in order not to gimp my hitrate completely, so I still had a total of 526AP (and the Soulstice Robe for style! :D )
Victim: Paladin Lvl60, ~ 7300Armor, so roughly 57% absorb (someone care to check that? I never payed much attention to the maths there)
Logs:
9/22 16:23:48.812 You hit Huehnchen for 25. (Mace)
9/22 16:23:50.421 You gain 1 extra attack through Sword Specialization.
9/22 16:23:50.421 You hit Huehnchen for 67. (Sword, trigger)
9/22 16:23:50.421 You crit Huehnchen for 51. (Mace, Extra Hit)
9/22 16:23:52.343 You hit Huehnchen for 25. (Mace)
9/22 16:25:05.718 You crit Huehnchen for 51. (Mace)
9/22 16:25:06.265 You gain 1 extra attack through Sword Specialization.
9/22 16:25:06.265 You crit Huehnchen for 163. (Sword, trigger)
9/22 16:25:06.265 You crit Huehnchen for 52. (Mace, Extra Hit)
9/22 16:26:10.640 You crit Huehnchen for 52. (Mace)
9/22 16:26:11.375 You gain 1 extra attack through Sword Specialization.
9/22 16:26:11.375 You hit Huehnchen for 60. (Sword, trigger)
9/22 16:26:11.375 You hit Huehnchen for 25. (Mace, Extra Hit)
9/22 16:26:47.156 You hit Huehnchen for 26. (Mace)
9/22 16:26:47.359 You gain 1 extra attack through Sword Specialization.
9/22 16:26:47.359 You crit Huehnchen for 173. (Sword, trigger)
9/22 16:26:47.359 You hit Huehnchen for 26. (Mace, Extra Hit)
9/22 16:26:49.281 You hit Huehnchen for 26. (Mace)
So yes, the MH does all the Extra Hits, even those from Swordspec and even if there isn't a Sword in the MH to do so. Confirmed data now.
Gnight, L.
"Mindless SS spamming'"? Yeah right, 'cause every time you hit Backstab you need to solve a short differential equation.
Yeah seriously, you posted the exact same thing a week or so ago in this thread.
On topic, it's probably about time they fixed this so that offhand sword spec procs affect the offhand instead. It would probably be a fairly substantial hit to sword dps, but it's extremely silly for it to give an extra mace hit.
08/08/06, 8:18 AM
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