I wonder if you can really charge 500g+mats to craft it (only horde can do it on our server), like someone posted here....

The reason is that I would need to get to exalted with TB on my own (about 7000g and that would leave me with not too much lol lucky as I am as a blacksmith, yet a MT with expenses and friends in need), since our bank is poor (apparently the previous guild leader run away with the money, no way of telling what was in the bank before)....
I got TF myself (paied for it another 6000g +1500g helped by the guild, to say the least), but I am toying with this idea; the major show stopper being the expansion coming so soon....

What do you think? I mean our guild could definetly use it since we don't clean BWL in one sitting yet and the officers reduced the raiding days from 4 to 3, but the power guilds on our server may see no need for it (so no clear way for me to recover at least part of the money)...We are in AQ and the officers in power may have no immediate plans to go Naax again (only tried it under the old guild leader). Honestly I would like this guild to do well/better, not only for the friends I have here, but b/c I am MT.

The alternative would be to convince an armorsmith exalted with TB to switch to axes, but I also take pride in my craft (i.e. I equipped maybe half of the alliance with arcanite reapers, heartseekers then switched mainly to selling blooodsoul armor- what I'm saying is that Nightfall could also be a source of revenue, but then again, how sure is that and probably not after the expansion).

you can switch now?

Was probably my post in the pally forums :p And it seems to proc of all judgements. I'll do some more testing, just we've one shot loatheb every week so I've had no reason to go to my SM famring ground and get a tracking hound.
Before last patch it had a 7.8ish hits per proc (around 5 samples, all 1k hits) but after this one my tests showed an abysmal 10.8 hits per proc so I'm guessing they finally fixed it with fiery. (yet to see a fiery proc it since the patch)

I've also noticed some weird double and tripple procs, such as last night on Ouro. I was tossed, was running back, and my proc yell randomly went off for no reason.(Nightfall addon) And other times, a regular melee swing + SoC proc will cause two different proc yells, so unless it's proced off itself, SoC seems to proc it.

If I had my way, we'd have 2-3 of these on paladins in our guild, the proc is just too good for fights like loatheb.

Yes, that was changed a while back. Of course you have to start over at 1 skill.

Engineers/Leatherworkers can do it too.

Whaaa? Can engineers do the same?

We're getting two nightfalls made soon, one will go to the second MT so he can do something actually useful on fights like Loatheb or Maexxna (We're at loatheb now and if we didn't suck so much on "farming" gothik we'd have actually had a couple of tries on him =( )

Mages/Locks aren't the only ones who benefit - keep in mind stings, poisons, and ... LOL ARCANE SHOT

Thunderfury's proc would be affected too then I assume. 310.5 procs in D stance and 345 in battle/zerk

I've been using a Nightfall for about two months with the above announce mod. How I use it to it's fullest extent is intigration of Clique into my UI and shift/alt click people's names to heal them off Nurfed raid bar. This means I can mainta a target of the mod, and with WoW's buffy cast/swing system I can generally get swings in while casting. WIth two Paladins using this system there is a noticeable dps increase, espically on Thaddius. It seems that when the debuff is on Thaddius the casters will get a +15% on top of the already 150-200% from the buff.. making it quite large. I would highly suggest having one of these around.

As well, it can proc off specials and weapon procs. So, stick FIery on that bad boy and have a Paladin use either Crusader or Command and you'll see alot of procs.

We boosted a guildy and have been charging 1500g+mats. granted we've only had 4 buyers so far but that was enough to get back all cash invested. now it might be time to lower to 500-700g to get more buyers. the point beeing that 500g is probably reasonable but it depends alot on your server.

edit: oh, only guild that can craft it on a server filled with lots of high end raiding guilds.

Wonder about in the future when you can have Paladins and Shamans in the same raid...

Give it to a Paladin using the 40% increased attack speed in a windfury group = many procs? More than a warrior maybe?

My guild's newest catchphrase is DPS > Logic. It's quite fun.

Spamstring still wins, since we got a fancy ability to increase attackspeed aswell - its called flurry.
Hamstring proccs nightfall and winfury.
Windfury proccs nightfall.

They're great for prot warriors who can't DPS for crap normally so on fights where they aren't tanking you hand them one of these and get a decent source of raid damage out of it. Almost bankrupted the guild bank though, thank god for clearing MC since the beginning of time and never getting an eye of sulfuras so lots of ingots to sell D:

My shaman friend has one, we went on test and specced stormstrike + moonkin and omghuegwrathcrits

If you've got a monopoly on Nightfall crafting, you can have a lot of fun with the demands. Why settle for gold (which I'd be surprised if any raid guilds actually needed), when you can charge 100 stonescale eels, 60 Frostmaul E'ko, a Repair Bot and a Disgusting Oozeling.

We made 3 Nightfalls a while back, and while they shine on typicals like C'thun and Patch (it also spanks Grobbulus something silly), its a regular occurence to see the "Spell Vulnerability" message pop up constantly during trash as well which helps speeds things up a little bit.

Any idea what works better on a Nightfall - Fiery Enchant or a Counterweight ?

I had advised our NF warrior to put a counterweight on but if fiery procs can proc NF itself i'm guessing thats a better option.

Thanks, but I don't think we have more then 10 high end raiding guilds (mine being like 7th) and I wonder if the top ones would even bother with Nightfall?

Also the limited time until the expansion concerns met, most probably won't be enough time to recover at least part of the investment, what do you think?

I know we had 3 made up for pallys when attempting Loatheb. However, when we were first trying to find a crafter, only 1 person on the server, from the 2nd furthest alliance guild, could make but was trying to charge us 350g per axe to craft. So instead we found some random horde guy who had exalted tb rep but was swordsmith and spent 300g on mats to power him to 300 axesmithing, in return for crafting the axes for us. Of course, whenever someone from the rival alliance guild asks us for a favor/encounter info, the response is "350g" now ^^.

My advice would be to try and con someone with exalted tb but with a different specialisation (preferably one they're unhappy with) to switch.

Myself and another fury warrior in our guild have been using Nightfalls on Patch and Loatheb. While it does gimp my personal dps compared to my usual Severance (especially without pots or crit stones), between the proc rates affecting caster dps and my keeping imp battle shout on a group of rogues, it definitely contributes to a beneficial dps upgrade for the guild on these fights. I have seen two debuffs up at the same time; however, due to timing they're never simultaneous for more than like a second or two. I've also seen the proc get pushed off by other dots and debuffs. I put a counterweight on mine and with flurry it has a decent swing/proc rate. I'm working on putting together an accurate proc rate which I'll post here.

My guild has been thinking about making some of these for a while...but our warriors are so flaky attendence-wise we're not sure its worth the investment atm.

I made one of these last night, and gave it to one of my MS/Prot hybrid wars. All our casters made new critline records and he's officially their new best friend :)

Anway, on the whole I was quite pleased with it. The war is able to make it proc a lot - especially now that they fixed the instant proc thingo it seems (latest patch notes).

Obviously not suitable for every fight, but there are a lot of fights where we can have a war doing demo/tc + nightfall - i.e. it adds a lot of utility and makes for a fairly effective raid tool. Anway, I just love the option of having him pull out the nightfall and making certain bosses die just that little bit faster.

We made two of these. One went to a prot warrior, the other to a paladin. I don't have hard numbers so far but on loatheb the damage boost was nice.