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Old 08/08/06, 3:33 PM   #1
Mashonawen
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So here I am, an MS warrior with pretty much the best dps gear I can get for the level at which my guild is at (farming Nef, just killed Huhu, 1st two Nax bosses dead), and I find myself hard pressed to keep up on the damage meters with warriors who have those goofy fury/prot hybrid builds (no imp. overpower or impale) and worse gear than me. Therefore, I'm looking to jump on the bandwagon, at least until it is nerfed. My greatest confusion as a fury neophyte is over the value of DW spec. Does one's offhand weapon contribute enough damage for such a large talent point investment? To me (again as a total DW noob), it would seem as though the ideal fury offhand has great stats and is blazingly fast (my dream weapon at the moment is Iblis), to maximize rage generation and flurry procs, and thus the damage it does is kind of secondary. Further, those are 5 wasted points if I need to switch to a 2-hander for whatever reason (e.g. ae, doing dps as an offtank after my mob is dead). So to all you fury vets out there, is DW spec worth it or might those points be better spent in something like imp. cleave (which could be like a heroic strike without the high threat component - a good rage dump) plus imp. berserker rage? Thanks for reading.

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Old 08/08/06, 3:51 PM   #2
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Dual Wield spec is very much worth 5 points assuming you have two good 1H weapons. It bringer the OH from 50% damage to 62.5% damage, and Flurry only makes those 5 points stronger.

Fury spec is not going to get "nerfed", it is just the Flurry scales very well compared to Arms talents.

I don't think imp Cleave is a good investment of points. With Fury you have BT/WW/HS or Hamstring if Horde to eat your rage.

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Old 08/08/06, 3:54 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by frmorrison
Dual Wield spec is very much worth 5 points assuming you have two good 1H weapons. It bringer the OH from 50% damage to 75% damage,
62.5%?


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Old 08/08/06, 3:58 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by frmorrison
Dual Wield spec is very much worth 5 points assuming you have two good 1H weapons. It bringer the OH from 50% damage to 75% damage, and Flurry only makes those 5 points stronger.
Its 62.5% damage for warriors

That said, if you are going full dps warrior, 17/34/0 is the best you will get.
if you want to OT, 5/31/15 works better than expected for both tanking and dpsing.

The best part about a fury build is that you can use any weapon you want with it. 2h will do good dps with decent survivability if you have to switch to tank, dual wield can do excellent dps and 1h shield + tank gear does good tanking. Your current gear would probably work fine for 2hfury and a few gear upgrades and some good 1hers and you are good to go for dual wield too.

Be ready to fill up at least 2 bags of gear for alternate dps/tanking situations and another 1 bag for whatever resist gear you need.

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Old 08/08/06, 4:42 PM   #5
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Thanks for the responses, fellas. The reason I would not be surprised to see fury nerfed is because, well, a plate-wearing class that can complete with those delicate little rogues for top dps? Enjoy that while it lasts. And yeah, the bag thing is not new, damage set, tanking set, fr/nr gear, alchemy supplies... ugh, just ugh. Blizzard needs to put armor lockers in inns or something.

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Old 08/08/06, 4:42 PM   #6
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Keep in mind that DW spec isn't just added damage... its also added rage.

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Old 08/08/06, 4:44 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Mashonawen
Thanks for the responses, fellas. The reason I would not be surprised to see fury nerfed is because, well, a plate-wearing class that can complete with those delicate little rogues for top dps? Enjoy that while it lasts.
Fury has been nerfed quite a bit actually... and its been lasting for many many many many moons :P

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Old 08/08/06, 5:02 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Mashonawen
Thanks for the responses, fellas. The reason I would not be surprised to see fury nerfed is because, well, a plate-wearing class that can complete with those delicate little rogues for top dps? Enjoy that while it lasts. And yeah, the bag thing is not new, damage set, tanking set, fr/nr gear, alchemy supplies... ugh, just ugh. Blizzard needs to put armor lockers in inns or something.
If Fury gets nerfed it will be because Blizzard pulled an EQ and broke the balance via itemization. Until AQ, Fury warriors who did top of the meter DPS sacrificed a hell of a lot of suvivability to do so but with AQ40 Blizzard added plate gear that is damned good for both tanking and DPS.

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Old 08/08/06, 5:26 PM   #9
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As an alternative, if you are well geared for MS dps and bored, try 2H fury, it will save you the trouble of getting 2 new weapons and you can slam things to death :P. Unless of course you are alliance and dont have windfury :(


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Old 08/08/06, 6:08 PM   #10
Mashonawen
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Hehe, I'm Horde (the other side just looked too vanilla). Actually tried 2h fury a while back and found it to be underwhelming outside of the almighty deathwish. To be fair though, I really didn't give it much of a chance and my gear is certainly better now than it was then.

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Old 08/08/06, 6:38 PM   #11
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I don't think anyone has a problem with warriors doing dps. They might have a problem though with the main tank class in this game competing for the top damage as well. Funny enough that EA change on the patch likely would have fixed things. Well at least for dropping warriors dps compared to other physical classes. It would have increased physical dps quite a lot, but since warriors don't have any agro reduction abilities, they wouldn't have been able to make as much use of it as hunters or rogues.

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Old 08/08/06, 8:05 PM   #12
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MS is a better 2H spec until you get enough attack power for Bloodthirst to balance out the Flurry vs MS parity you get, but this comes a lot earlier than most people realize. I'm a 2/31/18 Horde OT with Sulfuras, which puts me about on par with pure DPS MS warriors with slightly better gear for most jobs. Anything I can slam though; it just stops being fair. It's definately a lot of fun :D

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Old 08/08/06, 8:06 PM   #13
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I have one question about hit vs crit for dw fury. Does it follow the same math as rogue builds where after you get enough hit to not miss specials (somewhere between 6 and 8 depending on who you listen to) that crit is more important than hit?

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Old 08/08/06, 8:11 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Kasi
I have one question about hit vs crit for dw fury. Does it follow the same math as rogue builds where after you get enough hit to not miss specials (somewhere between 6 and 8 depending on who you listen to) that crit is more important than hit?
Since Warriors get rage when they hit things, Hit is very important to a dw fury warrior. I would guess they are just about equal in DPS importance.

Luckily, a lot of good DPS plate has hit on it.

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Old 08/11/06, 6:29 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Mashonawen
Thanks for the responses, fellas. The reason I would not be surprised to see fury nerfed is because, well, a plate-wearing class that can complete with those delicate little rogues for top dps? Enjoy that while it lasts. And yeah, the bag thing is not new, damage set, tanking set, fr/nr gear, alchemy supplies... ugh, just ugh. Blizzard needs to put armor lockers in inns or something.
Rogue has 1 aggro reduction skill and 1 aggro dump (with cheap reagent). DW Warrior has nothing on aggro reduction against that. DW warrior is not limited by the raw DPS he/she can put out. DW Warrior is limited by how much aggro they can safely put out.


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