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Old 08/08/06, 5:07 PM   #1
Lovemonkey
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Hello, my priest's guild is currently working on the Twin Emperors. The nature of this fight (especially the melee DPS running back and forth) has led me to wonder if Lightwell is useful or not, and worth respeccing to. Currently i'm 26/25/0 pretty standard specc, but I am considering respeccing to be able to cast Lightwell.

Before dropping the 50g to respecc, however, i would like to hear some other, more experienced players' thoughts on this spell. Is it worth the money to respecc and does it help the raid a lot?

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Old 08/08/06, 5:16 PM   #2
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No it is 100% worthless

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Old 08/08/06, 5:17 PM   #3
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Some random priest in our guild started dropping lightwells on a couple of fights in Naxx and I've actually heard a few rogues say they liked it.

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Old 08/08/06, 5:21 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by diospadre
No it is 100% worthless
99%, it has some interesting effects on Loatheb, however.

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Old 08/08/06, 5:24 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Zagzil
Originally Posted by diospadre
No it is 100% worthless
99%, it has some interesting effects on Loatheb, however.
:o
Quite nice to drop one near Anub so rogues can lightwell after an impale without running out to avoid a second impale.

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Old 08/08/06, 5:26 PM   #6
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The only use I've seen out of it is for warlocks lifetapping during Patchwerk. If you plan to use it for Emps, don't place it near the bugs or some idiot might try to right-click the well and auto-attack a bug instead...

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Old 08/08/06, 5:28 PM   #7
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If they dropped the cooldown to 5 minutes, and/or let it scale iwth +healing (say, 20% per 'bandage'?), or....something.

This ability needs help

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Old 08/08/06, 5:42 PM   #8
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Your warlocks will love you for it.

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Old 08/08/06, 5:43 PM   #9
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Old 08/08/06, 5:59 PM   #10
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Honestly, you could take that 50 gold and buy your Rogues/Warriors Major Healing Potions and they'd be better off. The requirement that the spell is cast in a safe spot (usually away from where the mob is tanked) means that 90% of the time if the person needs a heal that badly it's better for them to just bandage.

We usually have 2-3 healers in the middle who work on healing the DPS/bug tank/Warlock tank as needed.

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Old 08/08/06, 7:05 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by eek
Your warlocks will love you for it.
It's better to use a more sensible spec and renew/heal them when they tap. I have 33 points in holy, but no lolwell.

It also helps to let them know when they can tap because you can heal them. A lot of DPS seem to think that if a healer's mana is at 30% or so they shouldn't expect to get any heals, though I suppose that's better than the alternative.

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Old 08/08/06, 7:10 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Zagzil
Originally Posted by diospadre
No it is 100% worthless
99%, it has some interesting effects on Loatheb, however.
Does it count towards the the 1 heal per minute limit? If not, then at least it has some usage.


That everyone else said, the abilty is poor. 10 min cooldown, only 5 bandaids, does not scale, and it requires SoR (a heal or two when dead). Not worth getting, imo.

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Old 08/08/06, 7:30 PM   #13
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I use it. it has its uses. i'm sure when they finally let it benefit from +healing and give it a realistic cooldown it'll become more popular :)

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Old 08/08/06, 8:23 PM   #14
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Short answer: no

Slightly longer answer: MAYBE if you had the time and patience to train every single member of your raid on how to use it effectively and not waste charges. But yeah, no. Seriously. It's awful.

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Old 08/08/06, 11:59 PM   #15
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Had it from the priestrevamp patch until just after naxx was released, then decided to spec out of it. Depending on the fight/situation it ranged from being "ok" to completely worthless, which imo wasn't worth the effective 2 talentpoints since I also came to think spirit of redemption was a wasted point.

Emps was one occasion where I'd say it was ok, still would hardly say it helped the raid "alot" and I wouldn't recommend respeccing to it.

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Old 08/09/06, 2:27 AM   #16
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If you go 30 points into holy, its one more talent point... you give up divine spirit (which I usually subscribe to the theory that "some other priest will get it, and then I won't have to buff yet another buff") for the lol factor in bgs and all the attention it gets you when you randomly drop it in raids or in org or just in the middle of a pitched pvp battle.

Sure, its worth it.

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Old 08/09/06, 5:48 AM   #17
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It's not a very good talent, but if all of your other priests have Divine Spirit, it's not going to cost much. You won't find yourself using it often.

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Old 08/09/06, 6:08 AM   #18
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On the subject of spirit of redemption does anyone genuinely find that useful?

I find I get about 3-5 seconds use out of it at absolute max, and I'm seriously considering speccing out of it.

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Old 08/09/06, 6:20 AM   #19
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Originally Posted by Farstrider
On the subject of spirit of redemption does anyone genuinely find that useful?

I find I get about 3-5 seconds use out of it at absolute max, and I'm seriously considering speccing out of it.
I've always found 5/5 Spiritual Guidance and 5/5 Spiritual Healing to be the better option, but, then again, it is only 1 point from one of those (preferably Guidance) to get SoR. I tried it early on, and it had a bunch of annoying quirks to it that had me respeccing within the first day.

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Old 08/09/06, 7:04 AM   #20
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If SoR weren't requirement for Lightwell, I'd probably pick it. It is situationally useful, but since I'm 30+ points in holy already, there isn't anything that great in disc tree either between Inner Focus and Divine Spirit. I wouldn't mind lower cooldown and/or it takeing +healing into account though.

Spirit of Redemption however has some serious issues, especially in BGs it can proc after you've already released and resurrected getting your character into state where it takes GM assistance to be able to use any abilities again. And our server isn't usually even that lagged or high population.

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Old 08/09/06, 10:55 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by Feer
If SoR weren't requirement for Lightwell, I'd probably pick it. It is situationally useful, but since I'm 30+ points in holy already, there isn't anything that great in disc tree either between Inner Focus and Divine Spirit. I wouldn't mind lower cooldown and/or it takeing +healing into account though.
This is pretty much my thought as well. I'm willing to invest one point for an extremely situational thing like Lightwell just to see what uses I can find for it, but spending another point in SoR - which I can't even pretend I don't have - rules it out.

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Old 08/09/06, 11:02 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by frmorrison
Originally Posted by Zagzil
Originally Posted by diospadre
No it is 100% worthless
99%, it has some interesting effects on Loatheb, however.
Does it count towards the the 1 heal per minute limit? If not, then at least it has some usage.
Oooo... does it?

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Old 08/09/06, 11:32 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by Malan
Originally Posted by frmorrison
Originally Posted by Zagzil
99%, it has some interesting effects on Loatheb, however.
Does it count towards the the 1 heal per minute limit? If not, then at least it has some usage.
Oooo... does it?
Nope. Too bad it's a 10 minute cooldown though.

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Old 08/09/06, 11:35 AM   #24
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Spirit of Redemption is the biggest joke of the holy tree, even moreso than lightwell. Like the others in this thread I would have fun playing with the glowy lightwell if I didn't look like an idiot every time i died and SoR popped up. Wish Blizz would fix it somehow.... too much to ask eh?

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Old 08/09/06, 11:39 AM   #25
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Why is SoR useless? It can be handy in PvP and while sometimes it's irrelevant, it can also open up unique options in PvE. (E.g., SoR priest making sure to be <2000hp when Maexxna does a sub-30% Web Spray....)

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