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Old 08/09/06, 12:04 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
Why is SoR useless? It can be handy in PvP and while sometimes it's irrelevant, it can also open up unique options in PvE. (E.g., SoR priest making sure to be <2000hp when Maexxna does a sub-30% Web Spray....)
In a perfect world perhaps. On skywall? SoR literally procs, server lag crits you for LOL YOU HAVE SOR, then you start to cast 1 heal and it ends.

It's truly terrible if your server isn't up to snuff


To the op - there are situations where it might be helpful, but those situations are far fewer than your alternatives. There are a lot of good priest talents - you don't have to go looking for justification for the weaker talents, just avoid them,

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Old 08/09/06, 1:14 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
Why is SoR useless? It can be handy in PvP and while sometimes it's irrelevant, it can also open up unique options in PvE. (E.g., SoR priest making sure to be <2000hp when Maexxna does a sub-30% Web Spray....)
Lag.

Even in best case, it lasts for more like 6-7 seconds than 10. Sometimes you can barely get one flash heal off, in extreme cases like Alterac Valley it can go off after you have been released and resurrected, which causes you to be resurrected in bugged state, without being able to use any abilities.

I've used it to suicide and get couple more PoHs off in Huhuran in those raids when we didn't have druid for every meatshield priest so I could get couple extra PoHs after running out of mana. Even then, there can be long delay after you die and SoR goes off and your group might already be dead. Also some effects like Counterspell stay on you after SoR procs.

Blizzard should change SoR to remove all debuffs and be up either for 15-20 seconds or 5 healing spells, whichever comes first. In it's current form, it is completely useless.

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Old 08/09/06, 2:56 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
Why is SoR useless? It can be handy in PvP and while sometimes it's irrelevant, it can also open up unique options in PvE. (E.g., SoR priest making sure to be <2000hp when Maexxna does a sub-30% Web Spray....)
In addition to the comments already levied against SoR, any talent that requires me to be dead is fundamentally flawed.

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Old 08/09/06, 3:21 PM   #29
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SOR needs to be made to be like 15-20 seconds reliably and you should be allowed to manually drop/release.

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Old 08/09/06, 3:30 PM   #30
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Another 'issue' with Spirit of Redemption is its tendancy to cause disconnects after the buff fades, which happens to at least 3 priests in my guild.

Overall I think that being *dead* when you die so you can immediately get a druid res in the few situations where it's necessary outweighs the marginal benefits of 5-6 seconds of casting and a chance at being disconnected from the server for PvE.

For PVP I have mixed feelings on it. A few seconds of healing has saved a flag carrier in Warsong before, but I've also missed respawn because of it, which resulted in a flag being dropped. Counterspell also persists through death, which is annoying to say the least. Also, there used to be (or maybe still is) a bug which makes you unable to do anything but stand in place and heal after respawning in a battleground.

I think it's an interesting and useful talent in concept, but there are a lot of issues in practice which make it a waste of a talent point IMO.

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Old 08/09/06, 3:43 PM   #31
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I've probably used it a couple times to save someones life since I've had it, I'm usually not the first one to die. It has been handy a couple times when I'm completely out of options and someone needs to be healed, a troublesome suicide and it's 10 seconds of free healing. Dying is the hard part.


Edit: you can manually drop and release, click off the SoR buff. I've never had issues with getting disconnected, no where near as many as from Mind control. But there have been a few times when I only get 5 seconds of SoR for some reason.

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Old 08/09/06, 5:25 PM   #32
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My favorite part about Lightwell is that it lets me conserve a resource that is more valuable than mana or health: attention. As long as the well has any charges left, I can safely ignore the healthbars of my non-tanking raidmates, which means that I'm much less likely to miss a crucial damage spike on MT. (Of course, training people not to click on L-Well frivolously takes time and effort, but it is certainly doable).

The cooldown part doesn't bother me too much - after all, there are quite a few abilities that have even longer cooldowns (Shield Wall and Rebirth come to mind), and yet they are considered to be important assets in their respective classes' arsenals. Granted, as far as raw power goes, it is no Shadowform (then again, 90% of all 31-point talents are worse than Shadowform...), but it is still far from being totally useless.

P.S. Besides obvious Loatheb applications, Lightwell also gives priests an option to heal their PvP-enabled comrades without getting flagged themselves.

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Old 08/09/06, 10:41 PM   #33
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ive got SoR on my priest 4/5 in spiritual healing so i get 'a more powerful spell' if i try overrighting a full holy priests renew). if i were toi respec i wouldn't get SoR just because of the disconnecting problem (ive lost a few soulstones this way).

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Old 08/09/06, 11:06 PM   #34
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I hate lightwell. Not simply the numbers, because even if the cooldown wasn't ridiculous and it scaled, I'd still hate the concept of it for two reasons:

1. It has just about no practical purpose in PvP or solo play. If I get the highest skill in my healing tree, I expect it to make me a better healer all around. A PvE group only skill as the "ultimate" ability in a tree strikes me as lame and it doesn't seem as if most 31 pt talents fit such a narrow line of use. I guess Shadowform (and many other class' 31 pt talent) is kind of the opposite as it's very useful solo and PvP and not PvE, but it's also very powerful at what it does and the rest of the tree fits that solo/pvp theme as well. I suspect I wouldn't be as annoyed if the 31 holy talent pt worked very well in raids at the cost of PvP/solo as an inverse to shadowform.

2. I really don't like the concept of dropping something that takes away my decision making on healing and gives it to someone else. I like deciding when to heal, who to heal, etc.

SoR has potential, but the implementation is kind of ehhh

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Old 08/10/06, 12:48 AM   #35
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You CAN right-click the SoR buff to get rid of the effect. I had SoR before I respecced for PvP, and I thought it was worth one point. The frustating thing is that it is so inconsistant.


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