He leashes for us as well (except once..).

Ony cloaks, 100 bandages, health pots, good FR.

While I said that our ranged dps has cut down on FR, that is a choice I leave entirely in thier hands- they know they won't get so much as a single heal unless the healers are really, really bored, so they get to adjust in whatever way they find optimizing.

The rogue corner is not -always- safe (EG, post WB on a MT port, firemaw will flamebuffet the safe corner several times), and in general rogues just benifit from pretty much total FR. The OT/Melee healers 'may' have enough mana to heal everyone up, but it's a horrible idea to depend on it, and since it's a timerless fight a 10 minute kill is well within the norm for first time- that's a lot of bandages on a few attempts. This is a slow and steady healer mana pool test- don't strain it by making them heal you (though as you get better at the positioning, the healers will quite litterally end up with nothing to do, so you'd be amazed how much overheal they will toss on you).

Oh, and a moderately useful ability for this fight (though for the love of god don't make them spec it) is Lightwell. If a few of your priests have misclicked at the trainer enough, dropping one at the ranged healer location (who also may have spare mana) and one at the melee corner. Just about the only use for this spell, so whatever.

I would also caution your healers, and instruct them not to even think about healing a non-tank till 50% and they see how much spare mana they have. Firemaw does melee burst as well as shadowflame, so he may require some panic healing (-always- 100% before shadowflame, and one priest starting a highish rank GH 2 seconds before shadowflame normally neutralizes the damage entirely).

Good luck, and I think you will be suprised at the results.

Edit:

OH! GFPP! These are better than healing pots on the MT and OTs, and you probably have 400 in your bank from MC mats that you never got around to using for Raggy. Rogues/dps love them too- it's a fireward! In full FR popping one of these not only stops casting interruption and damage, but also removes all flamebuffets on you, so it's considerably more time in. Great at twice the cost, more useful than on vael and rag combined.

<-- from eldre as well, must be a server thing :)

First few times learning the encounter get the UBRS buff as well which kinda eases you into the fight, resisting the flame buffets on the main tank helps so so much (which is why FR/HP gear is important).

The Firemaw learning curve is Blizzard's punishment for making Ebonroc and Flamegor loot pinatas.

We kill Firemaw at the gate behind Broodlord. Usually we just send 1 priest around the wall to hide out on the lab side and heal the OTs and rogues. We use positioning very similar to Oggie's, but we put a shaman or two and a druid to the left of the door to help keep melees alive if they get low. I typically chain heal rogues and hunters and healing wave warlocks so they can tap.

If your priests will time a big heal for shadowflames your tank will be more survivable. A twitchy NS shaman (I don't remember your faction) or a druid with swiftmend can make or break the fight, too, since they can get the tank up enough to give the other healers time to land heals.

We've never seen him leash there either. /shrug

One thing I almost never see anyone suggest which is good for all the drake fights.
Have your priests cast PW:S on all the tanks and the OT when you get the breath warning, same for Nefarian.

If you can have PW:S absorb 500-1k of the bust damage with this "preemptive healing" you massively reduce the chance of a tank death, particularly avoids OT's dying when you get shadowflame and wingbuffet simultaineously. Winding up a big heal to land just after the tank gets breathed on means nothing if they get instagibbed by breath+buffet tick.

Almost no reason not to do this and everytime you tank survives on 10% that is a wipe saved.

I think we'll stick to the normal positioning until we have the fight down. :) Whenever someone says there's gonna be a long pull...I think we'll noob it.

Sounds like GFPPs are really crucial here, especially on the tanks. Using it to erase the debuff is is a good tactic. I'm also getting the sense that healers have to be very aware of when the breath. Does CT_Raid do good job (timing wise) of warning on breaths or is this something we need yet another mod for?

I'm liking the druid: swiftmend and priest: pw:s ideas.

Hey EJ Forums,

As you can see I am Larond, one of the off tanks for the firemaw fight that Ashuko is referring to. There are a few things that I would like to point out that have been suggestions in earlier posts.

1.) use of the see enemy cast mod. Yes both myself and the other off tank were using the mod for the fight and it was almost spot on every time. We tried using CTRA but it was giving false alarms a lot.

2.) OT placement, as was suggested here both of the off tanks and their healers were placed were placed around the corner in firemaw's room out of LOS.

3.)MT size, we always give our MT crap for being a dwarf and never really thought about him being to short for consistent LOS in this fight. I'm not sure if this is the problem but it could very well be.

4.) MT position, we originally started with our MT in the very corner between the grate and the pillar (didn't work well at all). Second we moved the MT to be in the center of the grate which worked much better but apparently healers were still having LOS issues.

5.) MT and OT FR gear, the MT has been in full FR gear (obviously) and the off tanks have been as well and the MT was given a FoT and that did help out a good bit.

As to why the MT is dying I have no idea, it could be LOS, getting crit 3 times in a row, i'll talk with the mt and see if I can get some more info or just get him to post in this thread.

Thank You Elitist Jerks for all of your help now and previously within this forum :)

Have your offtanks only duck in at 7 seconds to the Wing Buffet and you can just have one OT get the buffets for the entire fight.

Have MT pop Blazing Emblem and GFPP if his debuffs are getting high.

/raitem Heavy Runecloth Bandage

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/a...bar-natur.html

Deviate Fish on the MT if you have LoS issues

UBRS FR Buff or Flask on the MT While learning

One healer assigned to shield the offtank, one assigned to shield the MT before shadowflames

If your MT is too small, have him use Winterfall Firewater :)