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Old 08/16/06, 1:44 AM   #1
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Does this have any application for Naxx encounters? Thinking pw and possibly loatheb here. Also does it shield all 5 people if 5 people get hit by Prayer of Healing?

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Old 08/16/06, 1:48 AM   #2
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Yes, it works with PoH. It's really nice, just on all sorts of fights.

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Old 08/16/06, 1:52 AM   #3
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Does anyone use this for loatheb? I haven't done him yet so I'm just thinking that any extra damage mitigation could be worth using.

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Old 08/16/06, 1:53 AM   #4
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I'm not sure if people use it. I think I would if I had it. Alternate ZHC/Hibernating and Brooch heals. Not like you need a mana regen trinket on Loatheb as a healer.

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Old 08/16/06, 3:08 AM   #5
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Yeah, I swap all kinds of crazy stuff in on Loatheb. The 4 piece Faith shield is dinky, but I like seeing it go up on Loatheb and Patchwerk--extra shields for no extra cost are always nice, hard to say no to free absorption.

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Old 08/16/06, 9:22 AM   #6
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I'd imagine it's quite nice on Maexxna as well, as long as it stacks with PW:S and your tank isn't buffed out the wazoo already.

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Old 08/16/06, 9:24 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Nfariessence
I'd imagine it's quite nice on Maexxna as well, as long as it stacks with PW:S and your tank isn't buffed out the wazoo already.
It does stack. But yeah, this is the problem with all these nice buff effects. I am one piece of Earthshatter away from the awesome 6pc proc, but that has me worried that my Totemic Power is going to knock off important buffs. (Even in 1.12, if not a Flask or Stance, I still don't want my 8sec buff replacing a Stoneshield pot or something.)

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Old 08/16/06, 10:38 AM   #8
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This brings up something I've been thinking a bit about:

Is it worth having a tank not use certain enchants, in order to increase the amount of buffs he can have ? Whats 'worse' than these buffs (We don't allow Renew on PW, and we don't allow Transcendance bonus on PW/Maex), statistically ? Anyone actually tried this?

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Old 08/16/06, 10:39 AM   #9
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You don't allow 8/8 Trans on Maexxna? :o

Eh, as far as dropping enchants, it's hard to say. The number of fights in which losing buffs is a major concern can be counted on one hand. The enchants are useful 100% of the time. Having a tank give up 70hp permanently so that he sometimes doesn't get a buff knocked off (though he still may!) seems silly.

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Old 08/16/06, 11:07 AM   #10
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We've only lost buffs on Patchwerk once. I think we lost one once on Firemaw (for some reason the MT just never resisted).

The situations where the MT loses buffs happen. They're really noticable since they lead almost directly to a wipe. But it's not an everyday occurance. Or even monthly. A raiding guild can talk about the time that it happened. But it's usually only once or twice a year. Just make sure the tank clicks off any useless buff, and have them use +15 Agility over Crusader. What's deadly about them is how important Flask and Stances are. When 1.12 rolls around, they'll still lose buffs (probably Fort and Mark) but it's not that bad. Or maybe they'll lose enchants then.

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Old 08/16/06, 11:13 AM   #11
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Everyone should use +15 agility over Crusader for tanking anyway, but... you realize that +15agi consumes a permanent buff slot, right?

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Old 08/16/06, 11:25 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
Everyone should use +15 agility over Crusader for tanking anyway, but... you realize that +15agi consumes a permanent buff slot, right?
Yes. Crusader's proc pushing off a buff is the concern. Also, some of our warrior's tanking weapon doubles as their DPS weapon when they are Fury.


EDIT: NM, I thought Crusader's enchant actually took up a buff spot by itself. Looking at thottbot, it appears that only the procs would take up a slot, the actual enchant not doing so.

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Old 08/16/06, 11:30 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
Originally Posted by Praetorian
Everyone should use +15 agility over Crusader for tanking anyway, but... you realize that +15agi consumes a permanent buff slot, right?
Yes. Crusader's proc pushing off a buff is the concern. Also, some of our warrior's tanking weapon doubles as their DPS weapon when they are Fury.
Except if information about enchants taking buff slots is correct you would be taking up the same amount of slots with both enchants.

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Old 08/16/06, 11:54 AM   #14
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It just means you've essentially got to leave a slot open for the crusader buff when your counting up buffs/enchants.

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Old 08/16/06, 12:22 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
You don't allow 8/8 Trans on Maexxna? :o
Turns out we do, I'm just misinformed.

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Old 08/16/06, 1:44 PM   #16
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What does that trinket stack with? ZHC, ToA?

It's occured to me that ToA might be designed specificly for Loatheb- build up a 4stack as your heal cooldown comes up, then pop your big heal, and when the CD is down pop again....if it stacks with that trinket that's a very hefty amount of healing.

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It makes me want to hit Marge Thatcher on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.

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