Debuff Priority System - Which debuffs are protected?

Kegsta · 08/18/06, 1:35 AM

We are thinking about getting a nightfall crafted, and im looking for a deeper understanding of the debuff system, as far as i know some debuffs are protected and won't get pushed off by fireball and deep wound dots (curses, sunder for example). while others will just fly off when 10 fireballs/deep wounds land. Does anyone know how far along the debuff priority system is, i read in another thread here that winters chill can be knocked off.

here are the debuffs im intrested in, and if having 8 fireballs and 5 deep wounds is going to effect there viability in raids.

Edit: after more research heres how my current list is coming along

Unknowns
- Gift of Arthus
- Ignite
- Expose Weakness
- Hemo
- Winter's Chill
- Warlock Shadow Vun
- CoA
- Priest Shadow Vun
- Vampiric Embrace
- Curse of Weakness
- Immolate
- Insect Swarm

Highest Priority Debuffs List
- Sunder Armour
- Fairy Fire
- JoW/JoL
- Demo shout
- Thunderclap
- Fire Vun (Imp scorch)
- Curse of Reck
- Curse of Elements
- Curse of Shadows
- Hunters Mark

Medium or High Priority
- Corruption

Not Protected - Trash Debuffs - Lowest Priority
-Serphent Sting
-Deep Wounds
-Fireball
-Rupture
-Garotte
-Deadly Poison

Not Protected - Good Debuffs
- Nightfall (only lasts 5 seconds)

• Fogbug · 08/18/06, 1:51 AM

thunderclap and demo shout are definitely high priority debuffs. I imagine fairy fire and ignite and the judgements are, too. Nightfall is most definitely not protected and will be pushed off pretty often

studski · 08/18/06, 2:05 AM

I'd imagine that Gift of Arthas would have a relatively low priority given its high proc-rate and long duration.

Jaete · 08/18/06, 4:57 AM

Both winter's chill and the nightfall proc will keep dropping off pretty often. Apparently stuff you cast directly (such as curses) has higher priority than stuff that procs off something else (such as nightfall), and this even applies if the proc has a 100% chance of happening, such as maxed out winter's chill.

Kegsta · 08/18/06, 5:20 AM

good information thx, looks like nightfall wont be worth us making.

Maledict · 08/18/06, 5:45 AM

I think we would need word from Blizzard for this - I think it's more intelligent than just "direct on versus procs". Serpent Sting never seems to last any length of time on our mobs - whilst winters chill and the scorch debuff seem as sticky as sunder armour almost. Have never once seen either of them pushed off.
Same with ignite - it seems to have a much bigger priority than you would think for a 4 second DoT, as we've never had one pushed off yet.

Maybe we're just lucky or the warlocks are slacking... :)

Mosh · 08/18/06, 7:26 AM

Curse of Recklessness is not protected, only CoS and CoE are, which is why keeping it up on eg Vael is such a bitch sometimes.

Mosh · 08/18/06, 7:26 AM

Originally Posted by Maledict

Maybe we're just lucky or the warlocks are slacking... :)

They've given up long ago.

Kegsta · 08/18/06, 8:29 AM

just did some testing on golmag with CoR, FF, fire vun and having everyone spamming serphent sting, SW:P ect to try and push them off and they all stayed, so id say the priority system is fairly tuned ATM

Brissa · 08/18/06, 8:32 AM

Nightfall has a very short procc duration so I dont think it falling of before its run out is a major problem.

Kaubel · 08/18/06, 8:51 AM

There's never much danger of FF getting pushed off during our raids. It's keyed to one of my mouse buttons and I compulsively hit it once every 20 seconds or so.

Ashuko · 08/18/06, 3:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kaubel

There's never much danger of FF getting pushed off during our raids. It's keyed to one of my mouse buttons and I compulsively hit it once every 20 seconds or so.

Pardon my ignorance, but the value of FF is not immediately apparent. Would someone mind explaining?

• Maestroquark · 08/18/06, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ashuko

Originally Posted by Kaubel

There's never much danger of FF getting pushed off during our raids. It's keyed to one of my mouse buttons and I compulsively hit it once every 20 seconds or so.

Pardon my ignorance, but the value of FF is not immediately apparent. Would someone mind explaining?

Armor reduction = more DPS.

Ashuko · 08/18/06, 3:57 PM

I guess I never really considered the armor reduction to be that significant. Actually, I thought it was pretty INsignificant, especially on bosses.

Lumi · 08/18/06, 3:58 PM

It will add more dps than any DoT you could throw on.