In our gforums i posted that Furious howl would make my AQR hit harder than gressil or arcanite reaper,
and would very much like to try this on next patchwerk.

However on patchwerk yesterday, "all" the hunters made their point by not bringing wolves,
and whined until they got a huntergroup with goa shaman.

So clearly we have a conflict of interest here and im interrested in what yields the best overall dps,
and how much furious howl contributes for example a melee group.(rogue,rogue,shaman,warrior,hunter)

Furious howl gives an average of (ca) +50 weapondamage on one attack pr 10 seconds.
As this is being applied to weapondamage (or damagerange?) before any modifications,
would that mean that my ripper would hit for 25-30% more?

If anyone wanna gogo theorycrafting lets use the following settings, Rogue, AQR/Iblis, 1300 ap.

So to sum it up, whats the dpsgain from FH. Is it worth spreading hunters in melee groups for this?

unless you can time the howls to coincide with attacks of yours that do modified damage (backstab, ambush, crits, Aggression SS), I don't see how it's doing any more good in a melee group than in a hunter group - it's adding 50 dmg to an attack every 10 seconds. Surprisingly, hunter do attacks, and so reap a benefit from this. Considering the fact that MM hunters get 15-30% bonus damage on an attack they do every 10 seconds anyway, and they can macro their howl to coincide with that attack every single time, I'd think the bonus is better used for the pet owner's benefit. even if a hunter gets a howl that isn't coincident with his multishot (e.g if it's not his wolf doing the howl), if he's MM he gets a 5% damage boost on it thanks to RWS - so again, likely better on a hunter than a random melee attack.

Yes if you could time howls to correspond to attacks with large multipliers, like Ambush and Backstab, it would be awesome, but you can't.

what weapon or AP you have is completely irrelevant, it adds the same amount of damage regardless.

also note that Howl has a range of 15 yards - so if the pet is standing safely back with the hunter (often the case with the amount of AoE and the dearth of pet healing), melee is unlikely to be getting the howls at all.

It's 5 dps for melee to be put in stupid and simple terms. If you are horde your shaman's totems can possible be as high as what 92 agility? So it is a waste to have them put into melee groups when all of them can get that much ap and crit.

I'd put single hunters in a melee group as much as possible as long as they have TSA. As Alliance we build groups that consist of 2 rogues, a warrior (for Battleshout), a hunter (for TSA and FH) and a pally (for Auras).
I almost forgot, the OP was Horde but I honestly don't know how you'd make up the group composition but it would be interesting to know for BC and it's shamans from outer space.

AP isn't directly factored in, just DPS-contributed from AP which is AP/14. The damage from AP-contribution is then ADDED to weapon damage and FH is added on top of that. By the commutative law it makes no difference, when FH is added but I'm guessing it gets multiplied by crits though I have no proof of that other than the first impression of FH to me was that I landed my first 2,5k Aimed crit on Wyrmthalakk just after I tamed my worg, only having 1000ish buffed AP in my geenblue gear back then.

Attack power doesn't multiply any damage, it just adds to your weapon damage.
If you had any talents that increase damage dealt by a percentage it would probably affect furious howl, though.

http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=24597
The effect is listed as Apply Aura: Mod Damage Done (Physical)
Now read this:
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thre...p=1#post199510
So we can conclude it is affected by armor (bad), but it can crit and the damage multiplied on backstab (good). Considering this it's probably a bit better than 5 dps.

ideal melee group for horde:
2 rogues
1 warrior
1 shaman
1 TSA hunter (with furious howl)

if you have any other hunters left over after making this ideal melee groups, and if you have a shaman left over, sure, give 'em GoA.

it's near impossible to time howl with specials like bs/ss from a rogue perspective, and ultimately a waste of effort. better to leave the howl on auto-cast.

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no, better to leave howl macro'ed to the hunter's multishot, so he gets the 15% bonus on it from Barrage (because he's MM, obviously...) :P

White hits, with FH:
(1300/14*2.8) + 163(weapdmg avg) + 50(fh)= 473

White hits, no FH:
(1300/14*2.8) + 163(weapdmg avg)= 423

So a difference of 50 damage every 10s, meaning 5 dps.

So if these calculations are correct (bet they arent), seems u huntards are right and i stand corrected.

Sorry to hi-jack your thread. But, I am terrible at macro-ing. Can someone post how to macro furious howl and multishot plase