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Old 08/18/06, 7:28 AM   #1
Lank
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My guild killed GWF last week, this week however, we have had 2 whole nights on her, with quite a bit of trouble. Probably over 50g worth of pots spent by each person in the raid, plus a couple of flasks for the MT over those nights. I think our best attempt was about 20%...
This fight, unlike the other bosses we have killed (noth, raz, anub) seems difficult to master.
I guess the easiest way to get her down reliably would be to burn all the worshippers in 2 minutes, giving making the fight very quick. I doubt we have the DPS for this.. Early in our raids, the enrage often causes us bother, while all the dps are alive. Later in the night it seems all the dps dies while we get past the enrages without too much trouble...
I doubt there is a quick fix for this, I think we might try different positioning to minimize RoF, but...
Do many guilds still have trouble with this, after beating her numerous times?

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Old 08/18/06, 7:38 AM   #2
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perhaps you arent as focused anymore as the first time you beat her?
the whole 'zomg we wanna kill this!' a bit gone and everyone 'oh, killed her before, w'll kill her again, no need to stress'
and that lack of stress is hurting you?

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Old 08/18/06, 7:39 AM   #3
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We had very much the same issues on Grand widow until we tuned our strat.


0:05 - Sac an add at the start to give some breathing room vs. the Followers and to give a chance for the raid to position itself. Also this will free up a extra warrior
~1:00 - First enrage hits around here, sac an add
~2:00 - Second enrage hits around here, sac an add
~3:00 - Third enrage around here, sac an add
~4:00 - Fourth enrage around here. step up healing because your out of adds!

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Old 08/18/06, 7:42 AM   #4
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From a rogues pov:

best way to counter ROF is to zoom out. this gives you an overview of the ROF and enables you to take the quickest route out of it. In addtition you ofc need to chug nr and fr pots whenever they are out.

also its hard to draw aggro so you can more or less go all out dps.

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Old 08/18/06, 8:21 AM   #5
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It'll improve. You've only killed her once, don't fall into the mindset that just because you killed something once its "on farm". People here "farm" and think "loot pinata" and "I don't have to pay attention or do my job". As you gear up it'll get easier, our raid killed her in only 2-3 sacrifices this week, she went down and we forgot the other 2 (or 3, I can't remember which) adds were still up, they were running around whacking people.

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Old 08/18/06, 8:43 AM   #6
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If your DPS is dying to ROF they need to be a hell of a lot quicker on their feet. As soon as I even see a ROF going off anywhere near me I book it half way across the room, cancel any heal, cast or anything and just get the fuck out. Once it is done, just repopulate the spot where the fire was.

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Old 08/18/06, 8:50 AM   #7
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We had a big setback on Faerlina too last week after having her more or less on farm for several weeks. Partly this was due to our regular MC priest being absent and having to readjust, but in large part it was due to dps getting complacent and dying way too early to RoF. After some more or less amiable cajoling to wear FR gear and use FR pots for all the rogues/hunters/mages, this week went far more smoothly.

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Old 08/18/06, 9:10 AM   #8
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The great thing about most of the fights in Naxxramas is the fact that they may never really be on farm. It's not like some of the fights in MC/BWL where half of your raid can semi-afk and as long as a few healers and the tank are paying attention you win.

We have also had similar trouble on Faerlina on some nights. Usually things go wrong right from the start, so make sure you are using potions to make that transition easier. If DPS are dying have them put on more FR, being dead for 75% of the fight will hurt their DPS more than the FR gear will.

Only other thing is to make sure you are sacrificing an add after the enrage, just make sure your healers are on the ball.

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Old 08/18/06, 9:15 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by exog
From a rogues pov:

best way to counter ROF is to zoom out. this gives you an overview of the ROF and enables you to take the quickest route out of it. In addtition you ofc need to chug nr and fr pots whenever they are out.

also its hard to draw aggro so you can more or less go all out dps.
Best way to counter fire is to play on a server with new hardware. On our heap-o-crap server I have seen someone die to rain of fire on those crates along the back wall while widow was still being tanked on the platform. It is just a laggy/buggy crap encounter. But atleast 40% of the time you get some frost resist /vomit.

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Old 08/18/06, 9:21 AM   #10
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as was mentioned zoom all the way out.


Also, be careful where you tank her. if you use a common wall pin your pretty much screwing your raid. Your setting up a situation with fewer degree of freedom for escape. ie: more melee will be stuck eating the ring of fire.

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Old 08/18/06, 9:24 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by berg
It is just a laggy/buggy crap encounter. But atleast 40% of the time you get some frost resist /vomit.
I hope some of the 1.12 changes fix the lag. Also, I think you mean Fire resist.

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Old 08/18/06, 9:29 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by TheRealJon
If your DPS is dying to ROF they need to be a hell of a lot quicker on their feet. As soon as I even see a ROF going off anywhere near me I book it half way across the room, cancel any heal, cast or anything and just get the fuck out. Once it is done, just repopulate the spot where the fire was.
sometimes being quick just doesnt help. lag ftl. on last nights kill i would run across the WHOLE room (left of the platform to right of the platform) and RoF would keep on ticking. usually ate through my greater FR pot and took me down to about 400 hp. we all just <3 faerlina.

think we killed her 4 or 5 times so far. 2 of those kills took forever, the other took 2 or 3 attempts with one being a one shot. so basically we cant really see it being on "farm" so to say any time soon either.

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Old 08/18/06, 9:42 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by frmorrison
Originally Posted by berg
It is just a laggy/buggy crap encounter. But atleast 40% of the time you get some frost resist /vomit.
I hope some of the 1.12 changes fix the lag. Also, I think you mean Fire resist.
He's talking about the loot, not what you wear for the fight. I got Polar Shoulder Pads on our first kill <o/.

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Old 08/18/06, 9:50 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Parappa
sometimes being quick just doesnt help. lag ftl. on last nights kill i would run across the WHOLE room (left of the platform to right of the platform) and RoF would keep on ticking. usually ate through my greater FR pot and took me down to about 400 hp. we all just <3 faerlina.

think we killed her 4 or 5 times so far. 2 of those kills took forever, the other took 2 or 3 attempts with one being a one shot. so basically we cant really see it being on "farm" so to say any time soon either.
Yeah archimonde is a trash launch server like tichondrius. It is so frustrating because it has nothing to do with your ping. It is just server side slowness. Sometimes it does not happen at all and you just walk in and steamroll her. Sometimes even though you get no spell casting lag on your end that rain will just tick forever. It is the same as Emps blizzard in this reguard.

AE spell effects must get their own server thread or something because they can lag while everything else is cruising which is pretty gimpy.

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Old 08/18/06, 10:57 AM   #15
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The lag, and the fact that the footprint of the ROF doesn't begin to match the graphic. It needs fixed, badly.

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