My guild killed GWF last week, this week however, we have had 2 whole nights on her, with quite a bit of trouble. Probably over 50g worth of pots spent by each person in the raid, plus a couple of flasks for the MT over those nights. I think our best attempt was about 20%...
This fight, unlike the other bosses we have killed (noth, raz, anub) seems difficult to master.
I guess the easiest way to get her down reliably would be to burn all the worshippers in 2 minutes, giving making the fight very quick. I doubt we have the DPS for this.. Early in our raids, the enrage often causes us bother, while all the dps are alive. Later in the night it seems all the dps dies while we get past the enrages without too much trouble...
I doubt there is a quick fix for this, I think we might try different positioning to minimize RoF, but...
Do many guilds still have trouble with this, after beating her numerous times?

perhaps you arent as focused anymore as the first time you beat her?
the whole 'zomg we wanna kill this!' a bit gone and everyone 'oh, killed her before, w'll kill her again, no need to stress'
and that lack of stress is hurting you?

We had very much the same issues on Grand widow until we tuned our strat.


0:05 - Sac an add at the start to give some breathing room vs. the Followers and to give a chance for the raid to position itself. Also this will free up a extra warrior
~1:00 - First enrage hits around here, sac an add
~2:00 - Second enrage hits around here, sac an add
~3:00 - Third enrage around here, sac an add
~4:00 - Fourth enrage around here. step up healing because your out of adds!

From a rogues pov:

best way to counter ROF is to zoom out. this gives you an overview of the ROF and enables you to take the quickest route out of it. In addtition you ofc need to chug nr and fr pots whenever they are out.

also its hard to draw aggro so you can more or less go all out dps.

It'll improve. You've only killed her once, don't fall into the mindset that just because you killed something once its "on farm". People here "farm" and think "loot pinata" and "I don't have to pay attention or do my job". As you gear up it'll get easier, our raid killed her in only 2-3 sacrifices this week, she went down and we forgot the other 2 (or 3, I can't remember which) adds were still up, they were running around whacking people.

If your DPS is dying to ROF they need to be a hell of a lot quicker on their feet. As soon as I even see a ROF going off anywhere near me I book it half way across the room, cancel any heal, cast or anything and just get the fuck out. Once it is done, just repopulate the spot where the fire was.

The great thing about most of the fights in Naxxramas is the fact that they may never really be on farm. It's not like some of the fights in MC/BWL where half of your raid can semi-afk and as long as a few healers and the tank are paying attention you win.

We have also had similar trouble on Faerlina on some nights. Usually things go wrong right from the start, so make sure you are using potions to make that transition easier. If DPS are dying have them put on more FR, being dead for 75% of the fight will hurt their DPS more than the FR gear will.

Only other thing is to make sure you are sacrificing an add after the enrage, just make sure your healers are on the ball.

Best way to counter fire is to play on a server with new hardware. On our heap-o-crap server I have seen someone die to rain of fire on those crates along the back wall while widow was still being tanked on the platform. It is just a laggy/buggy crap encounter. But atleast 40% of the time you get some frost resist /vomit.

as was mentioned zoom all the way out.


Also, be careful where you tank her. if you use a common wall pin your pretty much screwing your raid. Your setting up a situation with fewer degree of freedom for escape. ie: more melee will be stuck eating the ring of fire.

I hope some of the 1.12 changes fix the lag. Also, I think you mean Fire resist.

sometimes being quick just doesnt help. lag ftl. on last nights kill i would run across the WHOLE room (left of the platform to right of the platform) and RoF would keep on ticking. usually ate through my greater FR pot and took me down to about 400 hp. we all just <3 faerlina.

think we killed her 4 or 5 times so far. 2 of those kills took forever, the other took 2 or 3 attempts with one being a one shot. so basically we cant really see it being on "farm" so to say any time soon either.

Yeah archimonde is a trash launch server like tichondrius. It is so frustrating because it has nothing to do with your ping. It is just server side slowness. Sometimes it does not happen at all and you just walk in and steamroll her. Sometimes even though you get no spell casting lag on your end that rain will just tick forever. It is the same as Emps blizzard in this reguard.

AE spell effects must get their own server thread or something because they can lag while everything else is cruising which is pretty gimpy.

The lag, and the fact that the footprint of the ROF doesn't begin to match the graphic. It needs fixed, badly.

I'd recommend not saccing an add until the 1:30 point, because the first 6 spits are not a big deal... since the RoF is only affecting minimal targets.

You'll quickly realize that the killer in this fight is burst damage, not sustained. You can deal with the spits just fine in the first 60 seconds.

60, 90, 120, 180... 4 minute fight. Wear FR. If you are killing her too quickly, wear more... if you are killing her too slowly, wear less.

I can't stress enough what a godsend FR is on this fight... and its partially resistable. I'm sure people who haven't tried it might disagree, but trust me when I say it helps.

Not sure if you're doing it or not from your original post, but there is no rule that says the MT has to tank her in the rain of fire. Have him move her north and south as needed when she RoFs on top of herself. Reduces some of the stress on the healers and lets your melee continue to dps.

50g a night in pots seems like an awful lot, you're probably using your GFR pots incorrectly.

Don't burn a gfr pre-pull. For non-rogues, the chances of you being hit with multiple rofs (or even an rof at all) is fairly low, maybe 30-40% to be hit once during the duration of the fight. Instead, sip the pot as soon as you get hit with rof, stop whatever you're doing and gtfo. This serves two purposes, first it's obviously much cheaper since you only burn pots if you're hit. Secondly it ends up that the pot only absorbs ~1.5k ish dmg (you eat one tick, the pot eats the second, and you're out of range by then), which means you still have 1-1.5k worth of absorbtion if you get hit again. This will totally negate rof from killing you for at least 2 casts with only 1 potion.

Our rogues do not use any fr at all, but our entire raid uses heart of noxxion (right click poison dispel) which reduces the curing requirements immensely. We are also alliance so each dwarf gets 2 free cures on top of that. (3min reuse, if you use it early it'll refresh in time).

No one knows that the location of the RoF can be directed ?

Imo you really need to look at your strat, particularly your healing assignments. Our first couple days on Faerlina resulted in near wins (3% and 7%) with extreme pot usage, but we realized it wasn't sustainable so we abandoned it.

Fix your healing assignments. Right now it looks like your choices are "tank stays alive on enrage but dps all dies" or "dps stays alive but tanks all die on enrage". Really the only pots you should need is GFR's for the lagged players to not die to the lagged rof.

With 15 healers, our assignments are 2 on mt, 2 followers, 2 on worshippers, and 8 on grp heal/cure. Healers on the follower tanks switch off to the mt once the followers are down, mainly so we have excess healing for the enrage.

What setup is your healer core exactly, 8priest and 8 shamans?

I think having a naxx boss on "farm status" just means you need to farm pots to kill them :)

Explain please.
It's my understanding that RoF is random secondary target, so it tends to hit the melee area and clumps (since there are more targets there).

I find it hard to believe that you can direct Faerlina to RoF any specific location (Without putting the majority of the raid there).

it has a range, but it targets a random person in range in your raid.

we outrange the ROF while killing the two followers.

edit: as far as i know, the majority of our raid uses 0 protection pots for this fight.