• Wodin

You have to hit it, stealth, and then ambush. Honestly it's mostly a pvp toy - both HoJ and BHB are better PvE DPS, as is Seal of the Dawn(woop 81AP in Naxx).

 

BeavisNuke

I have a pvp rogue alt and I made a macro that activates it and backstabs. It works out quite well and has netted me some insane numbers with a lobotomizer.

http://ctprofiles.net/1367

 

tenarius

The ZHM gives combat rogues some moderate punch in PvP, because you can macro it to backstab without having to worry about being destealthed.

The ZHM is mostly useless in PVE.

 

Martyr

I use this when renatiki is on cd

while not as deadly as renatiki, it is nice when used preceeding a full energy ks-double bs combo or something similar.


I only have the one bind for both trinkets, which is a problem as its set to bs then activate trinket, which is optimal for renatiki but for ZHM it should really be the other way around.



On a side note, does anyone know of a mod that automatically swaps in and out trinkets according to cooldowns?


going from 2 pce zg to zhm/exe bracer to HoJ/exe bracer is a bit of a pain to be doing every 60-90 seconds... even with wardrobe style mods...

 

• Relwin

i think you might need to




fill out your profile



And maybe use full sentences on the same line

The amount of spaces between lines sucks as well.



i think randomly not capitalizing things coupled with picking and choosing when to punctuate helps





perhaps also looking up how to spell a word you use three seperate times works too (Renataki)

This bear is cooler than you.

 

Martyr

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought this was a forum about a video game.

Feel free to disable my account for not being l33t enough.

Wait, I mean Elite enough.

 

Martyr

There we go. I've filled out some of my profile details that were classified as "non-essentials". Maybe now I can be part of a discussion.

 

Renaldo

"Elite" shouldn't be capitalized.

 

Martyr

And your face shouldn't be so ugly.

 

Xard

This thread is going south kind of fast :/

But yeah, I mostly just use my macro'd to backstab, or -maybe- if you have overall fairly crappy gear you could use it over the blue trinkets because they wouldn't be enough with your gear to scale past the flat damage bonus. You'll definitely want to try and stack it with some other cooldown though so you could get the most damage from it, I did a lot of 120 energy ZHM hits when I had bad gear, with backstab backstab tea backstab backstab. Just trying to wring whatever little dps from the thing you can get.

But by the middle or end of BWL, your gear should make it so the blue trinkets will be much better for sustained dps.

 

Un

While we're on the topic of rogue trinkets, I'm curious to hear from some of the guys about use of Badge of the Swarmguard. I picked one up a while ago, but haven't found many spots worth equipping it. It seems you only want to use it when you have 30 seconds of sustained dps - because any time off target severly hurts the dps boost, especially if your time off target keeps you from building up to 6 buff stacks. And then I'm afraid to use it in aggro sensitive fights, and I don't think it's worth equipping it over BhB when I only feel comfortable using it after I've waited to vanish-dump all my aggro.

Is this trinket really only good for C'Thun, Instructor, Patchwerk, etc?

 

Jaz

It's not good for those fights except C'Thun, timer trinkets are great for getting some damage in when he's weakened.

You should use a sustained in phase 1 though, and use the OOC time to swap to a timer.

 

Samurai

It was useful before they changed trinket CD's to be shared, now 99% rogues will use the 60 energy trinket instead of this in PvP, ofc you can use it when Rentaki's is on CD though but I don't think its the prefered choice.

 

◊ Kaubel

Elitism has nothing to do with the ability to read the forum rules.

We expect an inkling of care and intelligence to go into each post. Your first post was an abortion and your attitude sucks so far. So I leave it to you - in or out, Sassy Pants?

 

Martyr

You're a bunch of meanies :/

 

Dakous

One might almost suspect they're a bunch of jerks. Elitist jerks, if one might go so far.

Everybody is your brother until the rent comes due.

 

probiscus

I think you can get banned for lame jokes.

FYI.

 

Monger

I do find that I am using ZHM in naxx more then I did in aq40, specifically for gargoyles. When they use the "emits a strange noise" emote, I try and use clicky trinkets, and cooldowns. I do agree that for sustained dps it is inferior to other trinkets, but I think it has its place for burst dps situations.

Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun.

 

springwheat

What he said. The ZHM loses its damage boost much too quickly. When I had a macro bound to activate Blade Flurry and the ZHM, I would normally use all of the charges after about 10 seconds and the last several attacks received a minimal damage bonus. My personal preference would be an Earthstrike or Jom Gabbar for an active trinket, BHB or Seal of the Dawn for a passive trinket, or a Kiss of the Spider for the best of both worlds.

 

◊ Kaubel

No harm, no foul.

 

Xard

As I've said on some other threads, Badge will probably be my active trinket of choice for PvE dps for a long long time. Sometimes it can dick you and not give you enough stacks over the course of the trinket, and sometimes you'll get really lucky and get 20 seconds of -1200 armor. Regardless, after a few stacks with proper raid debuffing your target will be at 0 armor and that's like 15% more damage, which makes for some very good hits. Stacking this with AR or BF (or Tea, other active trinkets, etc) can really make your damage multiply together very well, though the same thing goes for the threat. Similar to other active trinkets you want to use it as soon as possible so you're having it on cooldown and thus not wasting time, but at the same time early in a fight the trinket really is an aggro magnet and has gotten me killed more than once.

However, given how well it scales with gear and how much that last bit of armor counts for mitigation, I'll continue using it for a long time, maybe swapping it out for one of the Naxx active trinkets, but only because they have passive stats on top of it, not because I think their activate is better :)

Just my opinions, however.