Yeah, I'm definitely not here to be its all lol paladin loot (or even suggest equal priority), but I guess my view is that pretty much every piece of gear I have is situational to a very real degree. I tend to think thats just the nature of hybrid classes, since our raid roles are very encounter dependent at this point.

That being said, I really do end up wearing my leather Lethon hat a lot more than Judgement Crown. So ugly :(

I do not think you will ever see anyone imply that loot should rot that could have a use. The market on nexus fell out months ago, I saw someone selling 6 for 100g yesterday and it did not even grab my attention. With that in mind if an item will be useful it should be looted, always. Lei is a bad example as you got that item on your own. The criticism is of looting situational gear over classes who lack our freedom of choice when it comes to gear.

Take cloth or leather sure, but not if one of the classes can only equip those armor types wants it as an upgrade. If you take it before them, it's just poor loot allocation since you'll get defaulted the next mail piece, while the cloth/leather wearer will still have nothing.

Well, we are talking about non-set cloth and leather in this thread. Maybe other guilds have priests and druids chomping at the bit for this stuff, but it gets defaulted to random druids and shamans in our guild.

That's an awfully narrow-minded point of view. I have a very thorough understanding of my class, and wear cloth and leather often. I'm not saying you should run around with 1200 armor and a staff, but swapping out a peice here and there for huge healing upgrades is beneficial for many encounters.

How are you doing any extra repairs? Your inventory items don't take a durability hit when you die, and spirit ressing isn't exactly something I'm fond of.

I believe he means because he might be dying more in cloth than in mail.

I think it can be summed up as "don't take cloth/leather if someone from that armor class needs the item for primary use." Remember for priests, they only can wear cloth, they don't have the option to wear mail.

Having said that, if an item is going to be DE'ed, or nobody really wants it, then why not? I know a shaman who took the Empowered Leggings off Chromaggus.... because shamans were just having cruddy luck with leg drops, and no priests wanted them as we were awash in Trans legs. Loot decisions are never made in a vacuum, so you have to consider your guild, your class and yourself before deciding to go for a particular piece of loot.

Our shaman are, seriously, not allowed to heal on that fight.

Every single time we do, we die. So we heal on the aoe clear, then back to dpsing. I think the other healbots....err..priests/druids are begining to resent us.

I don't disagree, shaman face not a whole lot of gear choices through BWL/early AQ40, and even our AQ40 set it's probably worth passing a few times to let DPS get geared a bit (also imo not worth breaking 5 piece EF till you have at -least- a couple pieces, but I think if we have that discussion again Prae's head will explode). A few swap pieces- the geta esp- are very good to keep on hand, if you can spare the bag space, but overall the survivablity hit just kills me. Even on bosses that I shouldnt' I take a swipe or two, leaving outthose that I deliberately pull onto me (over another healer usually, though occasionally I take pitty on a dps warrior). A to-be-sharded piece for yourself rarely hurts, but I can't imagine taking something out of a priest or a druid's hands.

This thread is about Shaman, not the awesome survival of the Pally. Shaman can use a shield, but can't do the rest of the stuff a Pally can do (well Tauren can stun for 2 seconds).

Although, Shaman can spec to get 10% off fire, frost, and nature damage, so there is a small advantage there.


I think a Pally can easy get away with all cloth (as long as he has a shield), since they have all those defensive abilities. A Shaman not so much, especially b/c their heal threat is not reduced.

Yes, but I can fade when I get aggro, or (sometimes) get lucky and take 1 hit and have 5/8 Trans proc. I've had that save me several times on Naxx trash, or BWL trash. Fade by itself is extremely good if you are fast in hitting it. Druids can drop into bear and probably take a hit or two. Shamans don't have a deggro or a shapeshift, they're left with taking it on with what they have. It's an added safety margin. I know when we wipe and things get out of control that the clothies usually go down in one shot, while shamans can take a few hits. That 5 seconds may just be what you need to get things under control sometime.

I can turn into a bear and equip a warden staff so I end up with 7000-8000 armor and 6k+ health in healing gear doing that.

Priests usually have threat reduction talents and fade. If they do get aggro they're usually fucked.