new expansion class skills (+mage talents) - Page 11

Azera · 08/24/06, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Z-Factor

yup warriors as the mt would still atm appear to make the most sense. But these are great changes, mainly as that prot talent would mean Paladins could actually tank using their spells, which is the only way they can. The ranged shield slam and the aoe ranged taunt also fit quite well into the "i'll hold agro take the big guy" scenario

True, depending on how well the ranged 'chain lightning' works for pulling aggro, it'll make it easier for a paladin to pull adds off of someone and onto them. The ranged taunt is a very accurate description of the spell. A very nice 41 point talent, if it is high threat.

• frmorrison · 08/24/06, 11:49 AM

Pallys certainly can tank, but the itemization isn't strong enough to support them (they need +damage and mana regen, as well as the normal tanking stats). I tried to make a profile with decent hybrid gear + tanking gear, and I came up short on what is needed for Nax. They need too many stats to make them good tanks, and mana regen will cause problems. Wisdom/Kings would help (40 mana regen/10% to stats), but it may not be enough for the high end.

They do have a skill that increases shield block by 30%/another one that also increase block by another 30% if they get critted, so that helps a little bit.

http://www.ctprofiles.net/3419499

Critical Strike: 12.50%
Chance to Hit: +3%
Damage Reduction: 61.92%
Defense: +96
Block: 13.84%
Dodge: 16.34%
Parry: 14.84%
Shield Block Value: 86
Tank Points: 23566

Crit. w/ Spells: 7.07%
Healing Spells: +124
Holy Damage: +76

Sancus · 08/24/06, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Verbal

If paladins become viable tanks in the expansion then would warriors not bother tanking and just dps?

There's also the assumption that Warriors will still be able to dps as well as they do now, when in fact, it's extremely unlikely that they will be able to.

Originally Posted by nikitabanana

The expansion seems to be Blizzard trying to move away from min/max situations, which I hope happens since it makes very uninteresting encounters.

Moving away from min/max situations reduces the difficulty of the game.

Andrise · 08/24/06, 12:06 PM

A paladin can assemble a decent kit for tanking with a mix of non-set tanking gear and Judgement or Avenger for some spell damage and mana regen. A paladin with +200 or so spell damage can generate pretty damn good threat as it currently stands, without even being prot spec.

Andrise · 08/24/06, 12:07 PM

Also to whomever asked if paladins have the melee threat reduction of rogues, and the answer is no. Which is one of the biggest reasons that a paladin even with huge ap/crit gear still can't dps, because he'll pull aggro for sure even doing anthing near good damage.

Rane · 08/24/06, 12:12 PM

Lock affliction tree
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/17...tion-tree.html

Rest inc :)

Demonology
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/17...emon-tree.html
Summon Felguard LOL ;)

Destruction
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/17...tion-tree.html

henaki · 08/24/06, 12:16 PM

Holy shit.

Fuck my Rogue, Warlock is my new main again.

I'm going to go on a whim and say that Seed of Corruption is a DoT that only works with Corruption?

Imp Howl of Terror is really intresting, possibly a better PvP spell than regular Fear in the right circumstances.

And simply: Holy Shit Unstable Affliction is possibly the best talent I could ever want.

Hiatus · 08/24/06, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by henaki

Holy shit.

Fuck my Rogue, Warlock is my new main again.

And that's just the Affliction tree. :)

I'm excited for this now!

edit: HoT's biggest utility was being on a separate target for fearing, so you could 'Fear' one target, and 'Howl' another (or more) - this makes juggling much easier against multiple opponents - I dig it.

probiscus · 08/24/06, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by henaki

Holy shit.

Fuck my Rogue, Warlock is my new main again.

Can't wait to see the destruction talents. Baseless conjecture but an AOE conflag would be pretty gnar. Just get immol up on a few targets.... hahah >___>

Kalman · 08/24/06, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by probiscus

Originally Posted by henaki

Holy shit.

Fuck my Rogue, Warlock is my new main again.

Can't wait to see the destruction talents. Baseless conjecture but an AOE conflag would be pretty gnar. Just get immol up on a few targets.... hahah >___>

Hurray for another short-range AOE stun! :/

Nite_Moogle · 08/24/06, 12:28 PM

Shadowfury, lol.
Those are some seriously awesome talents. Going to be a hard choice between a Felguard, 2 second AE stun, or Malediction+"Fuck You Decursive" curse.

Humbaba · 08/24/06, 12:29 PM

Since we still don't have any shaman info, which is what we're all breathlessly waiting on (right?), a slight sidetrack. Anyone know who I should pm on the FoH boards to get my account there activated? I think the activation email got swept out with my junk mail a few days ago.

Trilly · 08/24/06, 12:29 PM

In regards to a paladin's defense, or lack of:

Divine Purpose, requires 30, 5 point
Decrease the chance that melee and ranged attacks will critically hit you by 1(5?)%.

Seems that would help immensely to fill in gaps in +Def gear, since you'd only need +10 to eliminate crits entirely versus a 63.

Decker · 08/24/06, 12:29 PM

Um...where is the Hunter leaks? Don't enough nubs play hunters to leak this info??? :P I want my "headshot" and my final talent in Survival, the ability to wear a shield...lawl.

arch · 08/24/06, 12:31 PM

Well, we all knew that locks were going to get some love as Blizzard realizes what a terrible mess their current talent trees pretty much are.

The problem is they will probably overdo it again, get ready for some mad pvp and pve capabilities from warlocks.

Letania · 08/24/06, 12:31 PM

Wonder if Shadowfury will activate the global cooldown.

Also these spells are level 50 - Rank 1. Unstable/Shadowfury will do significantly more damage at 70 (presumably rank 3). Man, affliction locks are going to have a pile of instant dots in pvp now.

polocabbit · 08/24/06, 12:34 PM

wtb warrior leaks!...unless I missed the post =\

Rane · 08/24/06, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by polocabbit

wtb warrior leaks!...unless I missed the post =\

Blood Elves only right now so no shamans/warriors :(

Copernicus · 08/24/06, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rane

Lock affliction tree
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/17...tion-tree.html

Rest inc :)

Demonology
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/17...emon-tree.html
Summon Felguard LOL ;)

Destruction
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/17...tion-tree.html

Transcriptions--

Affliction
Tier 5:
Shadow Embrace - 0/5 - Your Corruption, Curse of Agony, Siphon Life, and Seed of Corruption spells also cause the Shadow Embrace effect, which reduces physical damage caused by 1%.

Tier 6:
Lasting Afflictions - 0/2 - Increases the duration of your Corruption and Unstable Affliction spells by 3 secs, the duration of your Curse of Agony spell by 2 secs and reduces the chance your Affliction spells will be dispelled by an additional 15%.

Tier 7:
Dark Pact - 0/1 - Drains 150 of your pet's Mana, returning 100% to you.

Contagion - 0/5 - Increases the damage of your Curse of Agony, Corruption, and Seed of Corruption by 3%.

Tier 8:
Malediction - 0/3 - Increases the damage bonus effct of your Curse of Shadows and Curse of Elements spells by an additional 1%.

Improved Howl of Terror - 0/2 - Reduces the casting time of your Howl of Terror spell by 0.5 sec.

Tier 9:
Unstable Affliction - 0/1 - Requires 5 points in Contagion. 270 mana, Instant Cast, 30 yard range - Shadow energy slowly destroys the target, causing 660 damage over 18 sec. In addition, if the Unstable Affliction is dispelled it will cause 990 damage to the dispeller.

Destruction
Tier 6:
Emberstorm - 0/5 - Increases the damage done by your Fire spells by 2%.

Nether Protection - 0/3 - After being hit with a Shadow or Fire spell, you have a 20% chance to become immune to Shadow and Fire spells for 4 sec.

Tier 7:
Soul Leech - 0/3 - Gives your Shadow Bolt, Shadowburn, Soul Fire, Incinerate, Searing Pain, and Conflagrate spells a 10% chance to return health equal to 10% of the damage caused.

Conflagrate - 0/1 - Requires 5 in Improved Immolate. 165 mana, 30 yard range, instant cast, 10 sec cooldown - Ignites a target that is already afflicted by Immolate, dealing 240-306 Fire damage and consuming the Immolate spell.

Tier 8:
Shadow and Flame - 0/5 - Your Shadow Bolt and Incinerate spells gain an additional 2% of your bonus spell damage effects.

Tier 9:
Shadowfury - 0/1 - Requires 5 in Shadow and Flame. 440 mana, instant cast, 2 min cooldown - Shadowfury is unleashed around the caster, causing 343-407 Shadow damage and stunning all enemies within 8 yards for 2 sec.

Demonology:
Tier 6:
Mana Feed - 0/3 - When a summoned pet his an enemy with a spell, the Warlock has a 33% chance to gain 3% of total mana.

Tier 7:
Demonic Fortitude - 0/5 - Reduces the chacne you'll be critically hit by melee and spells by 1%.

Improved Spellstone - 0/2 - Increases the damage absorbed by your Spellstone by 15%.

Tier 8:
Demonic Tactics - 0/5 - Increases the damage caused by you and your summoned pet by 1%.

Tier 9:
Summon Fel Guard - 0/1 - 198 mana, 10 sec cast, uses Soul Shard - Summons a Fel Guard under the command of the Warlock.

polocabbit · 08/24/06, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rane

Originally Posted by polocabbit

wtb warrior leaks!...unless I missed the post =\

Blood Elves only right now so no shamans/warriors :(

Aww really? Suckage =\

Humbaba · 08/24/06, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Rane

Originally Posted by polocabbit

wtb warrior leaks!...unless I missed the post =\

Blood Elves only right now so no shamans/warriors :(

Weird that we have some druid info, too.

Starks · 08/24/06, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Humbaba

Originally Posted by Rane

Originally Posted by polocabbit

wtb warrior leaks!...unless I missed the post =\

Blood Elves only right now so no shamans/warriors :(

Weird that we have some druid info, too.

Also weird that there hasn't been a shred of hunter info, heh.

Thrane · 08/24/06, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Humbaba

Originally Posted by Rane

Originally Posted by polocabbit

wtb warrior leaks!...unless I missed the post =\

Blood Elves only right now so no shamans/warriors :(

Weird that we have some druid info, too.

Which means that those are probably fake.

Humbaba · 08/24/06, 12:41 PM

You mean you don't believe that someone's friend's uncle's step-brother got to transfer a druid into the alpha?

♦ Praetorian · 08/24/06, 12:42 PM

I'm really surprised that Blizzard hasn't released a preview of their own yet. The NDA is going to stop people from leaking lots of screenshots and gameplay videos and stuff. But if they really put all the high-end skills and talents there waiting to be seen as soon as people hit level 10, then of course every avid WoW fan who bugged their friend/relative at Blizzard for a F&F invite is going to want to go see what goodies their class of choice is getting at the expansion. I mean, if you were in F&F, wouldn't leveling to 10 to see talents for your class be the first thing you did? And it's not like you can really trace a leak of some text or clipped screenshots like that. I'm sure Blizzard isn't happy about it, but it seems pretty naive for them to expect it'd remain secret.