Ishara

Ive scoured the forums for an dicsussion on this but havent been lucky, I could of course be blind in which case feel free to slap me.

I currently use Thunderfury in Main hand and Edge of Chaos in offhand, both of them with crusader enchants on them and BWL/MC plate dps gear.

What im looking for is some number crunching of what would produce the better dps, main hand or offhand. This has in mind that EoC is a much slower weapon but how many procs would I actually lose from TF. Im also a noob at calculating these things, found a spreadsheet earlier but the host seems to have taken it offline.

Also I havent been able to maximise dual wield spec as im a hybrid fury/prot. So whack 15% off the offhand damage. Also this shouldent affect the proc like defensive stance does right?

Gear and spec is in sig (d'oh)

 

Kelce

If I recall correctly, specials (Hamstring, BT/MS, Revenge, whatnot) still activate the Thunderfury proc keeping it above pretty much all weapons until Gressil for DW damage. Deathwing's excel sheet could be of some use if you haven't been able to find some time to parse.

 

Deathwing

Gear is in your sig, btw, no need to link it.

Kelce is correct, all your yellow attacks can proc Thunderfury, so moving it to offhand significantly reduces its DPS. It still beats out Gressil, Kingsfall, and Claw of The Frost Wyrm, at the cost of significantly higher agro if you push it to the max. That said, it's still one of the best offhands for dps.

 

• moz

Deathwing pretty much covered it.

Let me put it this way, even if you had Gressil to MH, you'd lose significant DPS off-handing TF.

 

Ashuko

Thread hijack: Moz are you a MT in EJ? I say "a" because I'm assuming due to guild size that you have multiple tanks that can/do perform the MT role.

http://ctprofiles.net/69539

 

newladin

I think it time to update your avatar Moz to dreadnaught.

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• Karakas

Slight derail, but what do you think of Thunderfury in the offhand for rogues? What about Thunderfury as an offhand for dagger rogues? A friend of mine recently got Thunderfury as a rogue before the patch and now he really wants to offhand TF with a Perditions mainhand, I'm just trying to determine how much better TF would be in MH, considering you guys are saying that it beats out Gressil in the MH of a warrior.

 

Emila

I would not MH a perd over a TF, I might mh a pugio over a tf, and would most likely mh a death sting. The whole problem I am finding with TF is not what hand to hold it in, but what weapon are you going to use when you cant use tf which seems to be getting larger and larger.

 

Ravock

I think while taking a highly geared warrior with best of the best gear that the TF will reign supreme in the main hand over any other weapon. But... once you start comparing while having all of your normal raid buffs and then some, that the 65+ DPS weapons will start to edge out Thunderfury. Thunderfury has about 57 DPS that scales with your gear / buffs. Then it has 25-30 DPS that is static and does not increase *unless its a special boss fight like Thaddius*.

I haven't done the math to verify it, so maybe buff levels just aren't high enough yet to make up for the difference in the proc, but it has to be getting close.

 

• moz

Yeah, and we have a good 4-5 warriors who have the gear to do the job on a given night depending on schedules/burn-out etc. In general, our warriors are very good -- something that can generally be counted on come raid-time.

Ravock: It's getting there, but it's still a reasonable margin with the very best gear and buffs. I haven't done the math for rogues, but I don't see a warrior swapping this out to off-hand anytime soon.

 

Quebeen

DPSing with TF = mass aggro, off-handing it reduces that aggro considerably, but yea dmg decrease it quite a hit. Just offhand it if yer MTs are slacking or w/e ;]

 

Ishara

Nah aggro really isnt an issue :) I have every confidence in our MTs, thanks for the replys people, looks like ill be keeping it MH after all.

 

Emeraude

Our Thunderfury Rogue switched his GM Sword & TF around in each hand since 1.12 came out. Significant DPS increase for him, he's come back #1 on the DPS charts.

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Ishara

Its slightly less of an increase for warriors, since Bloodthirst and Execute dont rely on the dps of the main hand.

 

Emth

And warriors tend to use more instants (virtually every global cooldown)

http://ctprofiles.net/404078

 

Chamelean

More instants than who? All rogue specials are instant, and a sword rogue generall does nothing but spam SS. Slow main hand weapons are far better for Rogues than fast. Thunderfury can be an exception though because the proc is so good.

 

iPodschun

Most Warriors are hitting Hamstring between their other attacks. Rogues are hitting their instants every 4 or 6 seconds.

 

The Mercenary

If you aren't Alliance, or if your MT's "just suck" you do more damage with the TF in the OH than you do with it in the MH. In the MH when you actually use it to it's full potential, you will get aggro on the majority of fights, which either a) kills you or b) forces you to stand around doing absolutely nothing for a while. I don't think anyone is debating what weapon does the most damage, the debate should be, what weapon combination allows you the most damage. There are a few fights where MH the TF and going all out is fine (and recommended) but on most...no.

 

MatsT

I'd just like to add that another reason why it will proc so much for warriors is that it can proc twice for heroic strikes, once for the autoattack and once for the heroic strike part.

 

Tokotangic

I've never heard of this before. Does that mean crusader has a double chance to proc as well?

 

◊ Kaubel

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Darke

I thought they fixed that. In fact, I'm 99% sure they did.

 

MatsT

My bad. I am pretty sure i've seen it happen since after they fixed the "double sword proc on heroic" thingie, but i did ~200 heroics in a duel to test it and not a single double proc. Either they fixed in in some later patch, or it was just lag that made it seem i double procced before.

 

Sylencer

Want to re-open this Subject if possible as could do with some more discussion because im still not sure on the matter of what to do with my TF

Lets say warrior has very good generic dps gear, fury dual wield.

Hatchet of Sundered Bone < Main hand
Thunderfury < Offhand

Is this going to be a very good combination or should i be aiming for a decent offhand sword to go with TF?

 

hubar

What race is the warrior?