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08/23/06, 3:53 PM
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Soda Popinski
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Sometimes the official boards just really really impress me with their stupidity
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...p&T=597139&P=1
This is an argument from a healer trying to prove that healing a tank on Drek'thar or Vanndar is a bad idea and that the healers should be doing DPS instead to help win the game faster.
Here's a snippet
Instead of dropping all that mana down the drain instead use it to pound on the general of your choice. Yes, the tank is going to die. He'll be back in 15 seconds. Yes, the general is going to charge after someone else. And?
If its a tank. . .well, you have a tank.
If it is a caster, other than having a wealth of tanks about all with tools designed to shift aggro to them, consider that his dying is likely to be a good thing. Why? Because he needs mana to deal damage and one of the best ways to get it is to go through the ressurection cycle.
Frankly on my priest I aim to burn through my mana and draw aggro as I am running out. If I am successful I get killed and am back in 15 seconds plus travel time to dump another full load of mana on the target.
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08/23/06, 3:55 PM
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Sledgehammer Emeritus
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Shadow priests are the best priests. And they look all cool and shadowy too!
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Originally Posted by Lyta
I've been trying to concentrate on studying for my Proof Methods test tomorrow, and all I can think of is your hotness, radiating out from the pixels on my monitor, seared straight into my neurons.
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08/23/06, 3:57 PM
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progamer
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Ugh, and here I am --- someone who stopped pvping on my mage so I could healbot on a paladin. Much more fun to play a healer in my opinion (Other then the resident warrior getting healbotted).
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08/23/06, 3:57 PM
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The beatings will stop once morale improves
Nurru
Undead Priest
No WoW Account
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Something about an official wow-pvp forum terrifies me. I didn't even know it existed.
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08/23/06, 3:58 PM
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Von Kaiser
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This person brings great insight and intelligence to World of Warcraft. Perhaps I should duel wield tank Vandar next time, in berserker stance all the while?
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08/23/06, 3:59 PM
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Soda Popinski
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Originally Posted by Kaubel
Shadow priests are the best priests. And they look all cool and shadowy too!
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Oh it's not even that.
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Flaya, do you encourage holy/disc priests to DPS as well?
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Short and simple: Yes.
Long and contextual: Yes, but keeping in mind that they are inclined to heal and that healing isn't worthless. I wrote in the OP about uncoordinated healing (which is the general case in AV) and how it wastes a lot of mana. If only a few people are healing it seems to me that you've probably hit the sweet spot as you do want to make sure Vanndar isn't going through people at a faster rate than they can ressurect and get back into battle. A priest that has spec'd to make healing his first priority is (a) inclined to heal to begin with, (b) pumps a decent amount of healing, and (c) can still toss out Shadow Word: Pain and the occasional Smite and thereby hasten the rate at which Vanndar is dying.
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08/23/06, 4:03 PM
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King Hippo
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The frightening thing is that you can't stumble unintentionally into this sort of simpering incompetence sideways. I can't see it just somehow evolving on its own. You have to actively work at it.
The official boards scare the hell out of me.
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08/23/06, 4:04 PM
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Thoroughly Inebriated
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This attitude is pretty much par for the course. It took 20 minutes of begging to get a warrior to tank Vandar the last time I was in AV - they were more interested in running back across the bridge and killing alliance as they spawned at the entrance.
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08/23/06, 4:05 PM
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Sledgehammer Emeritus
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Originally Posted by Nurru
Something about an official wow-pvp forum terrifies me. I didn't even know it existed.
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That's the problem with the EJ forums. We shield you people from the real world, making you soft and vulnerable and forgetful of a place that's overrun with knuckle-dragging, ROFLing, hyperstupid dipshits.
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Originally Posted by Lyta
I've been trying to concentrate on studying for my Proof Methods test tomorrow, and all I can think of is your hotness, radiating out from the pixels on my monitor, seared straight into my neurons.
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08/23/06, 4:06 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Stupidity is contagious- please don't bring that stuff here. Reading that post only angered me ><
haha
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Dude, don't fuck up the rotation
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08/23/06, 4:06 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Kaubel
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Originally Posted by Nurru
Something about an official wow-pvp forum terrifies me. I didn't even know it existed.
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That's the problem with the EJ forums. We shield you people from the real world, making you soft and vulnerable and forgetful of a place that's overrun with knuckle-dragging, ROFLing, hyperstupid dipshits.
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And we love you for it.
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08/23/06, 4:08 PM
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Bald Bull
Human Death Knight
Kilrogg
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Originally Posted by Kaubel
That's the problem with the EJ forums. We shield you people from the real world, making you soft and vulnerable and forgetful of a place that's overrun with knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, ROFLing, hyperstupid dipshits.
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IMO any good insult has to include mouth-breathing.
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08/23/06, 4:13 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Zeln
One of my favorites:
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Why on Earth would you be buffing? You seem to have missed the entire point--accepting death. If the buff isn't increasing your damage output you shouldn't be doing it, and most buffs don't do that. Fortitude buff? 1695 mana for 160 health. I leave it as an exercise to the reader if that is a buff that is worth tossing. Mark of the Wild? 445 mana for +12 to stats and 285 armor--seems kinda meaningless all said and done compared to what the mana could have been used for.
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1695 mana for 160 health? Try 54 stamina pre talents...
Dunno, isn't a druid buffing at least just himself after a rez worth it? I know I do on my druid... am I dumb? lol
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Dude, don't fuck up the rotation
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08/23/06, 4:14 PM
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Wodin
This attitude is pretty much par for the course. It took 20 minutes of begging to get a warrior to tank Vandar the last time I was in AV - they were more interested in running back across the bridge and killing alliance as they spawned at the entrance.
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I've recently become embroiled in PVP for the 1st time attempting to get access to the Exalted Frostwolf gear, and I've come to several conclusions:
1) Retards are genetically drawn to Alterac Valley. There's some latent genome in human DNA that Blizzard has unwittingly tapped into that acts as some kind of siren song to make double digit IQ players flock like lemmings to the instance.
2) People are so retarded in AV that there's no rational way to explain their behavior. I have to tell myself this or I will lose faith in the human race in general, and gamers in particular.
3) If there is some kind of idiotic, totally retarded tactical mistake that a player can make in AV, they will make it without hesitation.
4) I'm 2.7k away from max Exalted. I pray that I never have to PVP again after this.
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08/23/06, 4:15 PM
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Sledgehammer Emeritus
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Originally Posted by probiscus
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Originally Posted by Kaubel
That's the problem with the EJ forums. We shield you people from the real world, making you soft and vulnerable and forgetful of a place that's overrun with knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, ROFLing, hyperstupid dipshits.
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IMO any good insult has to include mouth-breathing.
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I had severe allergies growing up and developed a habit of breathing through my mouth.
YOU ARE SO BANNED!
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Originally Posted by Lyta
I've been trying to concentrate on studying for my Proof Methods test tomorrow, and all I can think of is your hotness, radiating out from the pixels on my monitor, seared straight into my neurons.
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08/23/06, 4:18 PM
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Amazing Racist!
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Originally Posted by Wodin
This attitude is pretty much par for the course. It took 20 minutes of begging to get a warrior to tank Vandar the last time I was in AV - they were more interested in running back across the bridge and killing alliance as they spawned at the entrance.
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Pugging Arathi Basin is the most infuriating thing you can do in this game. The mechanic is so simple, cap the base, leave 1 or 2 people to defend it and the rest move on. I always end up staying at the farm and watch the mob of mindless idiots go from flag to flag capping it and all of them run off to the stables to get kills, leaving the flag to get taken about 10 seconds later. I say something in raid and it is met with no reply whatsoever.
Or the guy that yells picks up the flag in WSG and stands in the middle farming kills because he needs more honor, eventually dying and curses me out when I grab the flag and cap it immediatly because I robbed him of honor.
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08/23/06, 4:18 PM
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Soda Popinski
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Originally Posted by Wodin
This attitude is pretty much par for the course. It took 20 minutes of begging to get a warrior to tank Vandar the last time I was in AV - they were more interested in running back across the bridge and killing alliance as they spawned at the entrance.
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This is one of the reasons why I like being a druid so much. If everyone else is too retarded to tank him I can do it, and if everyone else is too retarded to heal whoever's tanking I can do it. Generally I can find one competant tank or healer in an AV so I just take over the other role and bam easy win.
The best option though is to just bring in a warrior with skulls for his shoulders and have him tank the general and marshalls at the same time.
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08/23/06, 4:20 PM
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Bald Bull
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Sigh. Regardless of any theoretical increase in speed, I don't see how a strategy that depends on ~20 random people to react well to keep an encounter controlled is more feasible than one that requires only two people to react well.
An Aggro Ping-Pong strategy can work - I've been in groups where we had no healers, and we took Galv and Drek down by having hit burn through a couple of tanks and then get ping-ponged around between several [vastly overgeared] DPS classes who decided to ping pong him. The kill still took longer than if he'd just been tanked in position and sundered the whole time.
That worked because:
a. we were overgeared
b. it was planned. The hunters were ready to pick up aggro when the tanks died, they weren't blowing deterrence or FD early, the warlocks and mages were spread out and Drek was always snared. No random pugs had any involvement in the affair.
In a pure PUG situation, a healer can assume that the warrior who wants to tank will be decent at it, and heal to the best of his or her ability. The PUG DPS doesn't need to do anything correctly, they're not relevant to the strategy unless the tank loses aggro or dies. Or the healer can decide to let the tank die, then hope no-one gets aggro and leashes the boss, hope sunders/curses stay up, hope the boss doesn't one shot everyone and reset, and hope the nearest graveyard doesn't get assaulted.
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08/23/06, 4:20 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Darke
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1) Retards are genetically drawn to Alterac Valley. There's some latent genome in human DNA that Blizzard has unwittingly tapped into that acts as some kind of siren song to make double digit IQ players flock like lemmings to the instance.
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The only way I was able to grind to exalted was by taking control of AV raids myself. The secret to leading AV raids, I am still convinced, is leaving capslock on. Yeah, some people will /ignore you, but you might manage to inspire some people to actually do their job. This is key.
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08/23/06, 4:23 PM
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Soda Popinski
Blood Elf Paladin
Mug'thol
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I think this may have been written from the perspective of someone who has never figured out that mana can be regenerated.
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you're the one that decided to trust me
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08/23/06, 4:26 PM
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Bald Bull
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Originally Posted by Minotas
The only way I was able to grind to exalted was by taking control of AV raids myself. The secret to leading AV raids, I am still convinced, is leaving capslock on. Yeah, some people will /ignore you, but you might manage to inspire some people to actually do their job. This is key.
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Correction. The secret to leading AV raids is using Capslock to send every PUG on your side away from the enemy base, and using 10-15 people you trust to win the last GY and kill the leader. At least that's how it works for Alliance, I'm not sure if horde can manage it as sneakily.
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08/23/06, 4:27 PM
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Von Kaiser
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WoW seems like such a simple game to us, but really, why can't these people get it? Are they literate? Can they perform well in their jobs? Did they have 3.5 GPAs or more in college? The dude in question in the OP can obviously type with some competance but he has virtually no understanding of how the game works.
Sometimes general intelligence level does not equate to understanding the game at all, and that mystifies the whole situation even for me. You'd expect the l337 d00ds to play like this but there must be something underneath the surface that makes literate people be this dumb.
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http://ctprofiles.net/1367
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08/23/06, 4:30 PM
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by BeavisNuke
WoW seems like such a simple game to us, but really, why can't these people get it? Are they literate? Can they perform well in their jobs? Did they have 3.5 GPAs or more in college? The dude in question in the OP can obviously type with some competance but he has virtually no understanding of how the game works.
Sometimes general intelligence level does not equate to understanding the game at all, and that mystifies the whole situation even for me. You'd expect the l337 d00ds to play like this but there must be something underneath the surface that makes literate people be this dumb.
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I have no explanation for this. I'm sure a behavioral psychologist would have a field day with WoW, but the social dynamics present when you get this many idiots together in one virtual space are interesting, and frightening.
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08/23/06, 4:30 PM
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Glass Joe
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I had a moonkin druid tell me yesterday that innervate was best used on himself
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08/23/06, 4:31 PM
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Mr. Sandman
Night Elf Hunter
Ner'zhul
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Originally Posted by Kaubel
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Originally Posted by probiscus
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Originally Posted by Kaubel
That's the problem with the EJ forums. We shield you people from the real world, making you soft and vulnerable and forgetful of a place that's overrun with knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, ROFLing, hyperstupid dipshits.
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IMO any good insult has to include mouth-breathing.
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I had severe allergies growing up and developed a habit of breathing through my mouth.
YOU ARE SO BANNED!
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i currently have a bout of chronic congestion and can barely breathe through my nose :(
to the wow forums i go!
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