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Old 08/24/06, 6:08 PM   #1
inzani
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Murloc Warrior
 
Shadowmoon
Todays we did a trivial kill of twin emperors and both me and another dps warrior probably noticed a bug.

First of my compadré died quite early in the fight. Got a combatress and healed up. Charged in on Vek'nilash like 10 sec after the teleport. Did a BT and got agro.

Ok you think. Just a bad tank. Thing is that rogues been doing dps for several seconds before he charged in and didnt draw agro.

We didnt bother about that and just continue playing without him.
But until i died and i got a combat ress. vek'nilash was a 18%. I charged in just after the rogues had done some dmg on him. Did ONE hamstring and got agro. And this was with fetish of the sandreaver enabled.

How is this possible? I had BoS but i dont know about my compadré.

Someone else noticed this strange behaviours?

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Old 08/24/06, 6:09 PM   #2
altairian
Von Kaiser
 
Murloc Mage
 
Korgath
What did he hit you with?

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Old 08/24/06, 6:17 PM   #3
inzani
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Murloc Warrior
 
Shadowmoon
3 Normal attacks.

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Old 08/24/06, 7:31 PM   #4
Trazhenko
Don Flamenco
 
Troll Rogue
 
Illidan
Well since the patch notes clearly stated that you would have less threat reduction (i.e. more threat) than you did before when stacking multiple threat reducing effects, I'm not surprised that you got killed. However, the way it happened to you does sound pretty fishy.

As horde, with no extra threat reducing effects (can't really have shaman run the field and plant TA), I have to be particularly careful on that fight, and a few parries on the tank's end can mean a lot if I happen to be hitting the high end of the damage that I allow myself to do.

I'd ask your rogues if they feint at all. A feint can nearly erase an opening backstab crit, so a few seconds lead on damage doesn't always mean much lead on threat. I'm not sure how necessary it is for alliance rogues to feint. The guy with the BT may have quickly passed them up on threat, and there's a good chance he *didn't* have BoS if he just took a battle rez.

I will say that I'm not sure about the current threat implementation though. On Razuvious this week, a DPS warrior may have pulled aggro. We're not sure; it could have been an MC break, but none of the priests called it out. We were using the updated KTM (says "ready for 1.12"), and he was way *WAY* below me and another rogue on threat, and behind me by a sizable amount on damage as well when it happened (10-15% ish). Whether it was a break or not, we were really expecting Raz to go to me first.

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Old 08/24/06, 8:18 PM   #5
Kaide
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Murloc Rogue
 
Windrunner
Originally Posted by Trazhenko
I'd ask your rogues if they feint at all. A feint can nearly erase an opening backstab crit, so a few seconds lead on damage doesn't always mean much lead on threat. I'm not sure how necessary it is for alliance rogues to feint. The guy with the BT may have quickly passed them up on threat, and there's a good chance he *didn't* have BoS if he just took a battle rez.
I'm alliance rogue and never feint on Emps. I'm sword spec, run full consumables, dual stone + crit stones, hit adrenalin rush and blade flurry after the first port and continue to go all out throughout the fight. We kill the emps in about 8minutes, and i've NEVER pulled aggro.

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Old 08/24/06, 9:48 PM   #6
inzani
Glass Joe
 
Murloc Warrior
 
Shadowmoon
Talked to another warrior that experience same problem but on faerlina. He got battleressed twice and got agro as fast as he engaged her.
Going to investige further into this. Think it has something to do with the battleres.

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Old 08/24/06, 9:56 PM   #7
 squiffy
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Goblin Rogue
 
Blackrock
Death not wiping agro would be "amusing".

I can confirm that you don't get agro back after SS'ing up, as I was lead tank in our Vael kill last night and SS'd up after death to carry on execute spam where I could.

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Old 08/24/06, 10:09 PM   #8
altairian
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Korgath
Originally Posted by squiffy
Death not wiping agro would be "amusing".

I can confirm that you don't get agro back after SS'ing up, as I was lead tank in our Vael kill last night and SS'd up after death to carry on execute spam where I could.
No it sounds more like you're actually gaining a LARGE amount of aggro on the battle res. The proximity aggro on the twin emps when they teleport is fairly large, there's no way you should immediately get aggro after charging the melee emp, even if he had just teleported and the tank hadn't landed a sunder yet. And if I'm not mistaken faerlina has no deaggro at all so if you got battle ressed mid fight there should be no fathomable way you could pull aggro on her...

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Old 08/25/06, 12:44 AM   #9
Trazhenko
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Illidan
Originally Posted by Kaide
Originally Posted by Trazhenko
I'd ask your rogues if they feint at all. A feint can nearly erase an opening backstab crit, so a few seconds lead on damage doesn't always mean much lead on threat. I'm not sure how necessary it is for alliance rogues to feint. The guy with the BT may have quickly passed them up on threat, and there's a good chance he *didn't* have BoS if he just took a battle rez.
I'm alliance rogue and never feint on Emps. I'm sword spec, run full consumables, dual stone + crit stones, hit adrenalin rush and blade flurry after the first port and continue to go all out throughout the fight. We kill the emps in about 8minutes, and i've NEVER pulled aggro.
WTB BoS :-/

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Old 08/25/06, 5:43 AM   #10
Cluey
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The answer maybe the threat values, have a look over here.

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Old 08/25/06, 6:23 AM   #11
 sp00n
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Night Elf Rogue
 
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Yet he shouldn't immediatly gain aggro after he already died.


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Old 08/25/06, 8:02 AM   #12
Ghost
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Dwarf Rogue
 
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Ive never seen the Emporers switch targets off of who gets the initial aggro when they teleport (the closest person). Never once. If they are doing this now since the 1.12 patch it looks like a new development to me.

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Old 08/25/06, 8:10 AM   #13
Tharos
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Turalyon (EU)
I thought i was just unlucky but had a similar problem yesterday at noth.
I pulled agro from healing in the third dps phase, got a few adds on me and died.
A fellow druid immediatly combat ressed me. I got up, got 1 heal off (HT rank 11) and immediatly had 2 adds on me again and died again. All other healers should have been above me if my agro had reset from the combat res like it should do.

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Old 08/25/06, 8:21 AM   #14
Mem
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Blackrock (EU)
I noticed yesterday something strange as well. While fighting Huhu I vanished at about 40 %. When the MT died in the berserk I was the first rogue to gain aggro though my fellow rogues did NOT vanish. Strange. It was as if I hadn't vanished since I got "lucky" and had relatively few wyvern stings on me this time.

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