After they removed the spears we tried to go back to the old way.
Circle around him.. tank the raptor next to him.
But he charges and doesnt go back to the MT anymore. :(

How do people take down Bloodlord now? :(

Hit escape when he says he's watching you...wait till the debuff wears off, and he shouldn't charge. I think.

I think you treat him like a MC lava surger, i.e. everyone gets very close. Put a Pally or Shaman off to the side, and he will charge him sometimes. The tank needs to be ready to taunt him back.

Of course stop doing everything when he says "I am watching you".
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He'll die faster if you have a forum profile. True story.

haha Kaubel.. I'll work on one.

BTW. He randomly charges someone now.
We found out that it's usually the person furthest away..
The problem is that after his charge he doesnt return to the MT.. instead he just picks another target :(

It hasnt always been like that. He used to charge then run back to the MT. At least if I remember it right.

So it's back like my guild used to do it (and my Alliance guild before that) before we knew about standing behind the wall, eh?

The mechanics of the random charge/aggro wipe were always odd. We just treated it like an aggro wipe (no dots! no dots!), stand in a circle around the place a la shazzrah and everyone stop attacking for a sec while the tank got bloodlord back. It wasn't exactly an aggro wipe though, once the tank got back in it seemed to "remember" the old aggro and stuck to him again. It might have worked kind of like a mass fade or something. But the key thing was just to have everyone stop on the charge so that bloodlord didn't run around to everyone before the tank could catch up and make the save.

You were right in thinking he charges the farthest target. HE does. MAke a hunter the farthest person away...like at the spears. When he charges, have the hunter feign and he bounces onto the tanks.

K Flubber.. it just seemed that he wasnt running back to the MT.
We'll just have to put the MT between us and him I guess.
Do you kill the Raptor still?
Would be nice to have the other tanks ready to pick him off as well but I guess not necessary.

Digo.. everyone knows the Watching thing. This is a random charge but for some reason it doesn't go back to the MT.

We have never used the walls and had no more difficulty in a late night idol run last night then we normally do. A bit messy with 17 people, half of them alts and 3 alt. dps warriors who suicided to his cleave and whirlwind several times ,but bloodlord still died.

What works. His charge has a minimum range. Get in a circle,hunters right on minmum range for them and he will stay steady as a rock. You can also do a slightly larger circle and put a warrior as the furthest point. Warrior gets charged and then drags him back.

The charge is not a aggro wipe but the warrior may not be the highest on aggro after the wipe. If their is a dot on him and it ticks he wil not charge that person. But on the other hand ticking dots WILL make him angry if watched.

Wow, it amazes me how people can rely on these ridiculous crutches for such an easy fight. Anyways, I'm feeling nice tonight so I'll spell out how to handle his abilities as clear as I possibly can, in case the other 10 posts didn't do it for you:

blue/early epic gear: have all casters clump up. 2 warriors offtank the raptor about 30 yards away from them (switch tanks when sunder armor stacks up a few times). It helps to have the offtank healers stand a bit away from the casters, but still 20+ yards away from the offtanks. Tank the bloodlord within 10 yards of your casters and offtank healers (so your offtanks are the farthest away from bloodlord). He will always charge your offtank, and he will always run back toward your casters/healers after charging, allowing your MT to easily cut him off near his original tanking spot.

High level epics: zerg the raptor down, have everyone stand on one side of the bloodlord, about 10 yards away. Have 1 hunter stand on the other side of the bloodlord 20+ yards away. Bloodlord will always charge the hunter, and should always head back toward the casters afterward.

TREAT THE CHARGE AS AN AGGRO RESET. Whether it is or not, I don't know, but it sure as hell seems to behave like one.

In case anyone is wondering why you do a seemingly more healer intensive strategy with weaker gear, it's simply because your MT with get 1-2 shot multiple times during his enrage in that kind of gear ;)

I'll make it even shorter: Imagine Shazzrah with less AEing and a gimmick "watching" ability. That's Bloodlord. Adjust strategy accordingly.

we are lazy and never really bothered with any fancy tactics on Mandokir, specially anything involving terrain exploit.

zerg raptor first, then stay close to mando, avoid whirlwinds, stop doing any threat generation if you're watched. Non-watch related charges cannot be avoided but they rarely kill anyone.

For reference, we are a early BWL guild so raptor zerging does not require very good epics (we've been doing it for quite a while). And even if the MT dies during the enrage, the aggro wipe of Mando will make soulstoning him something useful (much quicker than the spirits' rez). And yes, amplify magic..

Ill make it easier, just run up onto his temple and tank him down the bottom and heal from up top, just the same principle as the wall trick.

You do know he's tauntable?

I prefer to play a game, and see just how big he can get :D

Correctly.

Alternately you can treat it like most people treat Mar'ii and have an out of range tank standing with the dps/healers who taunts and drags bloodlord back to the MT. Also have your shamans drop searing totems near the MT... sometimes he will reaggro on those and it makes everyone's job simpler.

Also I've said for ages that the spears were a LoS bug that was going to be fixed :V

This isn't entirely necessary really. I usually take my bluebie Warrior to ZG and typically we OT the Raptor with one guy, I wear my DPS gear and attack Bloodlord. Every so often the OT calls me and I put on my shield and taunt off the Raptor so his sunders can reset, then go back to Bloodlord. Using two dedicated OTs is gimping your DPS.

Still to this day, during our late night idol runs, we keep the Raptor offtanked the whole fight. We always assumed the increase in Mandokir's damage was higher than keeping one healer on the raptor tank. I'm curious if anyone has actually tested this.

If you're doing ZG in blues or ZG epics, yah the dmg from his enrage of killing the raptor first probably is not something you want to do.
If you're clearing ZG for enchants in Tier 2 or 3, screw that noise, kill the raptor first. The enrage only lasts for like 20 seconds or something, its not the entire time. You'll barely even notice it.

Actually scrub that - I tanked Bloodlord through the enrage on my warrior alt who has a wrath helm, bracers of might, and and a couple of AQ40 tanking gear from the first couple of bosses. Its just dependant on your healers.

My guild found that, if the raptor is held sufficiently close to Mandokir, the random charges stop entirely. To get an idea of how close, one of your offtanks could have to stand well within whirlwind range to pull the raptor in. Once raptor is close enough, offtanks swing around so that they're out of whirlwind range, making sure not to pull the raptor away from Mandokir.

As long as the raptor is close and nobody makes him angry, Mandokir will never charge.

I don't think keeping the raptor alive is worth it. Eventually you end up with the tank on him having 0 AC and that probably sucks up more mana than jsut healing through Mandikor's post raptor death enrage. Mandokir's enrage does not last for the remainder of the fight.