Rogue and cat threat reduction at 29% with warriors still at 20%

Lord BEEF · 08/25/06, 4:07 AM

Found this while perusing the druid forums.

Thottbot is showing cat form's passive effect as 29% reduction. At first I thought Blizzard made a typo but then the rogue one is now showing 29% as well

Rogue:
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?sp=21184
Cat
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?sp=3025

Warrior one seems the same old 20%
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?sp=7381

It seems they may have changed the percentage reduction to counter the mulitplicative threat reduction change, but left warriors out.

I'm curious to see if anyone has tested this to confirm yet

sp00n · 08/25/06, 5:09 AM

Interesting. Can't think of any reasonable explanation though why they did it that way.
Besides Blizzards own kind of logic of course.

Cluey · 08/25/06, 5:42 AM

I noticed the same thing when I was looking it up to see how much of a reduction we got in cat form.
I was about to post this in this thread as it might be the reason these guys are dieing.

• Wodin · 08/25/06, 1:18 PM

Well, it feels like it takes more damage to pull aggro now, and there's a new beta KTM that has rogue threat corrected.

Deathwing · 08/25/06, 2:16 PM

Old system:

BoS + Rogue innate = 50% threat reduction

New System:

BoS * Rogue innate = 49.7% threat reduction

The numbers are pretty much the same, so that could the reason.

Kazanir · 08/25/06, 3:09 PM

So, if true, by keeping Alliance rogue threat reduction par to previous, they buff Horde threat reduction?

Kalman · 08/25/06, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kazanir

So, if true, by keeping Alliance rogue threat reduction par to previous, they buff Horde threat reduction?

Yep.

The combination of rogue+Salv reductions is my assumption as to why the new 29% number was chosen as well.

Kasi · 08/25/06, 3:14 PM

But if they're just changing rogues, than it shouldn't do anything for warriors pulling off warriors. Well at least not for me, cause in raids I can't get my pallies to use salvation on warriors cause the tanks don't want to be bothered to click it off. :(

Malorum · 08/25/06, 3:19 PM

Lazy warriors aside this is an interesting thread. Itll be interesting to see if someone can confirm this.

diospadre · 08/25/06, 3:59 PM

I thought that pre-1.12 warriors had 20% innate and rogues had 30%. Did they actually both have 20% or am I missing something here?

Kalman · 08/25/06, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by diospadre

I thought that pre-1.12 warriors had 20% innate and rogues had 30%. Did they actually both have 20% or am I missing something here?

They both had 20% prior to 1.12.

Fyr · 08/25/06, 4:47 PM

Originally Posted by Deathwing

Old system:
BoS + Rogue innate = 50% threat reduction

New System:
BoS * Rogue innate = 49.7% threat reduction

Back to alliance warriors:
Threat from Salved Warrior DPS was 50%.
Threat from Salved Warrior DPS is 56%.

But... Tank threat got a little buffed from (1+.3+.15=) 1.45 to (1*1.3*1.15=) 1.495. Roughly a 3% increase.

So [Salved] warriors aggro threshold went down to .5/.56 * 1.03 =~ 92% of what it was in 1.11.

Trazhenko · 08/25/06, 4:47 PM

I don't know if you'd consider this "confirming" it, but Razuvious went to a warrior (maybe two, two died anyway) before he went to me the other night when he came off the Understudy. I don't know if we out-aggro'd the Understudy (don't think that's happened before) or if it was just an MC break, but by a substantial margin on KTM 17.12, I should have been top threat.

KTM has since been adjusted to reflect the new numbers. I'll be downloading the new version tonight.

The warrior opened with Fetish of the Sand Reaver as he always does on that fight. I pretty much went nutty right out of the gate, including Adrenaline Rush, and feinted 0 times.

Rand · 08/25/06, 6:08 PM

Heh, I just so happened to fraps the beginning of that kill because I was gonna show our hunters whos pets weren't doing what they were supposed to on the pull. As you can see, near the end when the MC breaks early.. he comes to me first even though I'm clearly below 2 rogues on KTM 17.12:

br_raz_threat.avi

Time to download 17.14 i guess <_<

Disclaimer on GoA. we usually drop it on that fight instead of WF to give our rogues more dodge in case of an early MC break, although I think the other melee group was getting WF :o

Kazanir · 08/25/06, 6:46 PM

I was under the impression that your version of KTM is only receiving the "threat value broadcast" from everyone else, so if there is a display error (i.e. someone shows up as lower or higher in threat than they actually are) this is due to them not having the correct version. Is that not how it works?