World of Roguecraft Episode 1 - Page 2

delljit · 08/25/06, 11:09 PM

Not quite as good as no.2, i felt that it seemed rather repetitive. The "pvp video" at the end was pretty funny though, and redeemed the rest of the video.

Lateralus · 08/25/06, 11:11 PM

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Perkulator

My favorite rogue videos, though they may not necessarily be 'good ones'.

Kytrarewn · 08/25/06, 11:17 PM

This is my favorite rogue PvP video probably.

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=7034

CrazyGamer · 08/25/06, 11:31 PM

I'm a bit disappointed. He could have cut out 15 minutes of PvP and still gotten the point across nicely. Too much PvP and too far between the jokes IMO though the dialogue was great as usual.

Part 2 is still my favorite, with the absolute top scene being his explanation of game balance.

Renaldo · 08/26/06, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Shugorei

Originally Posted by Renaldo

Waste of time watching it, in my opinion.

Well, it's useful if you want to become a politician. You learn to shove words in people's mouths and spread biased propaganda.

Surely it's due your highly analytical skills and critical eye that you came up with this amazing commentary without even having to watch the video.

Actually, I watched it. And I concluded that the 40 minutes I took to watch it could have been spent doing something more entertaining.

He begins by saying that rogues don't need every single cooldown to win a fight. Then he shows him killing people using every single cooldown twice. Which, I might add, got really repetitive really fast. All you need to do is see the first two fights of him fighting naked and you've seen them all. He also picks a bad time to show it. He starts off by saying that rogues don't need all their cooldowns, but then he shows us how he used every single cooldown, twice. Granted, he was naked against high ranking players, but come on... He could have chosen to show something else so that his comment about cooldowns doesn't stay in our mind while he burns his cooldowns like a crack addict.

And when he puts all his gear on, he still uses at least 2 cooldowns per fight. (Excepting when the fight he uses thistle tea on cloth... In which case he shouldn't need it.) So what was the point he was making again? Oh yeah, cooldowns.

Also, the fights. He always gets the jump on people. Like Wodin said, where are the fights where he gets marked and aim shot critted but still manages to beat the hunter? Where are the 3 on 1 fights, the fights where it's the rogue versus 7 players consequitvely? Where are the shadow priests with 5k HP and +450 spell damage? The 6.6k HP warlock? 5k HP 6K MP +400 spell damage frost mages? Also, not all of his opponents knew how to play their class as effectively as Mute.

I have to admit, the last part was a little entertaining though. But not worth the 30 other minutes of watching him do the same routine on person after person though.

Savos · 08/26/06, 12:32 AM

I don't think any of it is to show PvP prowess, rather showing how absurdly good things become if you actually use the skills inate to the class.

Many of his fights he never even takes damage except when there are nearby players. That's the point.

tenarius · 08/26/06, 1:02 AM

Originally Posted by Bad Luck

You were the Eddie of Warcraft.

You were the Sol of Warcraft would have been good too. DUST LOOP LOOOOOL

Or the Maxi.. or the Cable.

Honestly I'd much rather talk about fighting games than pvp videos, but since this thread seems to be about the latter; I thought parts of it were creative but such videos typically bore me quickly. I enjoyed the Master of Pain video because it has a lot of big numbers, however, and gnome rogues are funny (Hi Kalman!).

Sedulous · 08/26/06, 1:29 AM

I like how the video more or less implies that only rogues are mostly bad at pvp. This is pretty much the chain of events described in the first part.

1. Rogues are overpowered
2. Most rogues win not because of skill, but because of imbalance
3. Other classes are buffed
4. Most rogues lose to other players now that classes are on more even terms

Coupled with his attempt to amaze viewers with win after win versus absolutely terrible pvpers, I can't really conclude anything other than this guy thinks rogues and only rogues are mostly bad at pvp, whereas most players of other classes are good at pvp.

• Wodin · 08/26/06, 1:33 AM

Originally Posted by Tytal

Speaking of rogue videos, who makes good ones? I watched the corrupt one that just resently showed up on warcraftmovies, and can say I was impressed. Who else should I search for?

Look for Dahis. Probably the best technical rogue I've seen.

Deathwing · 08/26/06, 1:45 AM

Sorry for slight derail.

Watching this video reminded me about something I miss. It was either the old SCT(pre version 5) or Blizzard's default, but I liked the old way of scrolling damage text. Crits would really POP onto the screen, they would stay there but to the left of your normal spam, and most importantly, the damage was above the monster's head. Now, that's a bit bad on tall bosses, and I've tried blizzard's current implementation, but I abhor the sesame street letters they are using.

Anyone know if it's possible to do what I want with the new SCTD?

Torael_7 · 08/26/06, 2:12 AM

I'm not sure if the option exists anymore, but I believe you're referring to "sticky crits", so that's what you should look for. If it's still there it will be a checkbox, if I recall correctly.

Deathwing · 08/26/06, 2:15 AM

Originally Posted by Torael_7

I'm not sure if the option exists anymore, but I believe you're referring to "sticky crits", so that's what you should look for. If it's still there it will be a checkbox, if I recall correctly.

Sticky crits has the problem of staying over damage you do after it, so you can't read it. The old stuff allowed the crits to stay around, but off to the side.

henaki · 08/26/06, 2:28 AM

Originally Posted by tenarius

Originally Posted by Bad Luck

You were the Eddie of Warcraft.

You were the Sol of Warcraft would have been good too. DUST LOOP LOOOOOL

Or the Maxi.. or the Cable.

Honestly I'd much rather talk about fighting games than pvp videos, but since this thread seems to be about the latter; I thought parts of it were creative but such videos typically bore me quickly. I enjoyed the Master of Pain video because it has a lot of big numbers, however, and gnome rogues are funny (Hi Kalman!).

On the topic of fighting games, a new guilty gear is being loke tested in Japan right now :) Not an expansion like Slash, but a "sequel" with new system mechanics and shit.

Roguecraft 1 itself was rather bland, it had great dialogue but too much unintresting PvP.

GokieKS · 08/26/06, 3:47 AM

Even here the point is lost on many people... sigh. Neither of the two PvP segments are designed to show that "rogues can PvP fine w/o cooldowns."

The naked PvP scenes are to illustrate why the rogue abilities have cooldowns. Listen to the line just prior to the scene starts: "If a rogue had all their cooldowns for every fight, they would be absurdly overpowered." The naked PvP scenes, where he uses all the cooldowns for every fight and is able to kill much better geared opponents despite using a worn dagger and no armor, prove that.

The geared PvP scenes are to illustrate the scaling of the class with gear that so many rogues like to claim is non-existant: "If rogues don't scale, then gear shouldn't make any difference. And pvp shouldn't be any easier in epics than it is naked." After that, he goes on to show how a very well geared rogue can kill everyone so much easier, including taking on multiple opponents at once.

I will agree that Ep. 1 was not as well made or full of witty dialog that Ep. 3 and 2 were, but then I understand that they run out of material to work with. But that Polzie PvP video spoof made the video - simply hilarious.

Takezo · 08/26/06, 4:08 AM

Originally Posted by Tytal

Speaking of rogue videos, who makes good ones? I watched the corrupt one that just resently showed up on warcraftmovies, and can say I was impressed. Who else should I search for?

One of my all-time favorites has to be Shurrik's PvP #2. It's very old (think a piece of two of Nightslayer/Gutgore/Felstriker as bleeding edge), but has great production value and still showcases a good amount of skill. I haven't watched in a good while, though, so I'm not sure how it's aged: http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=2415

And the Nerf Sap series is seriously impressive stuff; Happyminti cheerily rolls crowds of players that ougear and outnumber her thanks to quick thinking and enough Tubers/NDB to feed a small army. All of them are worth a look. I believe he (she?) has retired by now, unfortunately.

http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=6791 (Nerf Sap 1)
http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=9000 (Nerf Sap 3)
http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=9982 (Nerf Sap 4)
http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=11779 (Nerf Sap 5)
http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=13611 (Nerf Sap 6)
http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=18627 (Nerf Sap 7)