Anyone know the details of the C'Thun hotfix? - Page 3

chalon · 08/28/06, 3:22 AM

Yeah, on our kill tonight we were OOC for like 2s between p1 and p2 I think. But only a couple people were dead so we just used druid rezzes. It felt really easy, but then again we've killed him almost 20 times by this point, so it should.

Judia · 08/28/06, 4:16 AM

Originally Posted by Kaubel

Originally Posted by Jin

You can drink, we had about 3seconds while we were out of combat.

It won't happen all the time though. I had a different equipment set queued in itemrack and nothing got switched.

We had this happen twice before 1.12. I am very confident this happens if you fail to kill all the little claw tenticles before being dropped from combat.

Judia · 08/28/06, 4:21 AM

Originally Posted by arc

Afterthought: I hope they keep this pull method. It's so much nicer than even C'Thun 1.0. No need for a designated puller, or pull healers. No need to worry about giving anyone sufficient girth on the pull. Just run in fast and get to it. It's perfect.

Im suprized people seriously ued this method, guess we live in a dark hole.
I always made the pull, with NR pot and PW:S, and a swiftness pot running to the 11 or 1 position (entering from 6 o'clock). If your "puller" is running to the far side noone has to stop to run around him, and as puller I never took more than 3 chained beams which I could survive with PW:S and a second NR pot anyway. I think the important detal is your "puller" running to the far side of the eye, not standing in the entrance making life much harder for everyone else.

Jin · 08/28/06, 4:28 AM

Originally Posted by Judia

Originally Posted by Kaubel

Originally Posted by Jin

You can drink, we had about 3seconds while we were out of combat.

It won't happen all the time though. I had a different equipment set queued in itemrack and nothing got switched.

We had this happen twice before 1.12. I am very confident this happens if you fail to kill all the little claw tenticles before being dropped from combat.

Yeah, that's exactly the reason. If claws were all down last patch, you could have around 30 seconds out of combat time.

issei · 08/28/06, 4:50 AM

after several days' worth of attempts spread out over the last couple of months with zero progress past getting to phase 2 (oh shit, giant eye tentacles!? let's wipe!), we came in for the first time since 1.12 and got to 35% in two weakenings. the new pull method is much, much more idiot-proof.

Dakous · 08/28/06, 5:36 AM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

and also that we have to be harsher on retard net issues.

Minor derail here (the main point of the thread has been addressed, looks like) - for some reason it never occurred to me in months of wiping how a part of the C'thun fight is like that paracute exercise thing that was pretty "popular" in fourth grade. I figure just about everyone has come up with the web/net analogy, but anyone think up it being paracutes? Especially if you ever did parachute in parachute, that really meshes up with the fight.

Parachute - where everyone spreads out in a ring grabbing the end of the parachute, and then you all run in circles and then throw your arms up, and duck under the parachute where it forms a big chamber that quickly will "crush" you. Lots of giggling is usually involved as I recall, and no OMFG U NOOB U CHAINED THE PARACHUTE ON ME, but analogies can only go so far.

Purely an "origin of gimmicks" question.

Mem · 08/28/06, 5:55 AM

We killed him yesterday for the second time. There is definitely less margin for an error in p1 since you cannot rezz folks between the phases. Nevertheless, its still doable, since nobody should die in p1 ;) Oh and yes, if there are any tentacles left, they will keep you in combat, sure.

A completely different questions to those who have this boss on farm for some time now...can you kill him with two vulnerabilty phases only?

Jin · 08/28/06, 6:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mem

We killed him yesterday for the second time. There is definitely less margin for an error in p1 since you cannot rezz folks between the phases. Nevertheless, its still doable, since nobody should die in p1 ;) Oh and yes, if there are any tentacles left, they will keep you in combat, sure.

A completely different questions to those who have this boss on farm for some time now...can you kill him with two vulnerabilty phases only?

Yes, though its usually three. I remember on our first two kills it took four :(

Chaotik · 08/28/06, 6:46 AM

our run before tonight we got him to 42% first vul .... usually we kill him in 2 vuls.. 3 if we lose some dps

Schneeb · 08/29/06, 11:14 AM

Sorry for the bump but I observed some (interesting?!) behavior.

On our first new pull he started beaming <10sec from the pull, possibly attacking him starts the timer earlier than a 'body pull' would (we used to pull with a hunter in NR gear so ranged attacks = +combat sooner) ... anyway this didnt cause any wipes after we stopped being so relaxed about the new pull :)

On our second pull everything was going great, eye was on 60% odd - a green beam comes my way hitting for 3.3k i chug a major healing pot then die from a 2. something ground rupture - maybe if i had an NR pot up would I have survived (mage 4.8k hlt buffed i think) ... what worried me is usually the green beam damage is 2. something

Are the 3.3k green beams similar to the impossible cthun ?! .... needless to say we wiped to many deaths that time

The next try we seemed to have 2k green beams and everything was 'normal' ... 2 weakens in stage 2 - job done!

Was interested to see if anyone had experienced the 3k+ green beams and if indeed the 'impossible' incarnation was that value ... seems extremely odd that it could change between pulls too!

Kytrarewn · 08/29/06, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

Originally Posted by Kytrarewn

Heh... our rogues attacking for CP and warriors attacking for Rage managed to get him to something like 94% before the first vuln. Was amusing.

Wow, 600% of his HP bar is a lot of damage in that much time. How long did you take to vuln?

We had him at 1% after two vulns, a few people took potshots at him. Some Priest Mind Blasted for 6 and he went down. I had considered ordering the raid to DPS him, but the numbers weren't right. He could have had as much as 199% HP (effectively), taking the duration of 4 vulns (3 mins) to bring down. Realistically longer, since the coordination would have been terrible. Since we can't survive that long ignoring tentacles, we were planning to just do it the normal way.

We run a pretty melee heavy raid with 6 warriors at any given time and 5 rogues. Not sure that it was 94%, especially given that Nurfed's unit frames are a bit screwy as far as raid boss percentages (for whatever reason, they try to insert a 0% and skip a few percents towards the top of the bar). 97 or 98 would probably be more accurate with other unit frames.

I'd estimate that our first vuln took at least 3 minutes (6 tentacle spawns, probably more). We also don't put melee on the Giant Tentacles other than the tank generally (it's a weird strategy that's tough to explain on the intarweb, but it works for us), and have them focusing on small eyes around him.

Still, I can't quite figure out how it happened because (as you say) that's a huge amount of damage there (200-300% of his HP since it's a 99% invuln), but it did.

Kytrarewn · 08/29/06, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Mem

A completely different questions to those who have this boss on farm for some time now...can you kill him with two vulnerabilty phases only?

Our first kill was two vulns... we were buffed to all hell and were frustrated after about 7 hours of work on him that day and a couple months of farming the Emps (we killed him my second week in the guild, after having xferred, so I missed a large part of the earlier frustration).

Essentially, we got him to 46% (again, with the stupid Nurfed Unit Frames %'s, some people said it was 44) on our first vuln, and at the second vuln everyone DPSed him to the ground... maybe not ideal because, as we found out this past week when we did that and he went invuln at 8% when we were trying for two vulns (though, thank god, we managed to stick together until we got him vuln again to win, was another frustrating night), having everyone at close to 0 mana and NOT pulling it off is a *bad* thing.

Kaubel · 08/29/06, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Jin

Originally Posted by Judia

Originally Posted by Kaubel

It won't happen all the time though. I had a different equipment set queued in itemrack and nothing got switched.

We had this happen twice before 1.12. I am very confident this happens if you fail to kill all the little claw tenticles before being dropped from combat.

Yeah, that's exactly the reason. If claws were all down last patch, you could have around 30 seconds out of combat time.

That does make sense. Maybe we can try to remember to test it out this weekend.

Now someone figure out how to get Ouro to skip submerges.

Schneeb · 08/29/06, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Kaubel

Originally Posted by Jin

Originally Posted by Judia

We had this happen twice before 1.12. I am very confident this happens if you fail to kill all the little claw tenticles before being dropped from combat.

Yeah, that's exactly the reason. If claws were all down last patch, you could have around 30 seconds out of combat time.

That does make sense. Maybe we can try to remember to test it out this weekend.

Now someone figure out how to get Ouro to skip submerges.

11000 dps and a 3min first stage (to get him below 20% before he tries :p)

Kytrarewn · 08/29/06, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Kaubel

Originally Posted by Jin

Originally Posted by Judia

We had this happen twice before 1.12. I am very confident this happens if you fail to kill all the little claw tenticles before being dropped from combat.

Yeah, that's exactly the reason. If claws were all down last patch, you could have around 30 seconds out of combat time.

That does make sense. Maybe we can try to remember to test it out this weekend.

Now someone figure out how to get Ouro to skip submerges.

We heard someone mention here that DPSing him by more than 25% by 90 seconds is what keeps him up. Since we started watching, all evidence has pointed in that direction.

Also: The small claw thing is another thing that we realized before the patch when trying to do the mid-combat rezz thing. When the eye dies, burning small claws is UTMOST priority and we generally get that 2-3 second combat halt, though not enough to rezz, of course.