Kirion

mm, sorry, disenchanting have 48h cooldown and to learn it you have to turn in pretty expensive mats, that also on cooldown? Until than its not fair comparison at all

42.

 

warrinn

Maybe not point for point the same, but enchanters have to make the rods (runed arcanite) that use both expenive and cooldown mats, also consider, to disenchant now you have to have the skill up to do so, which means disenchanting, instead of selling some of the greens you get.

 

Fiola

Sure. It's a business transaction. Figure out what both of you think is fair.

For me, I'll just find out ahead of time whether the person wants to:
1.) Pay 5g for transmuting 1xJunk-> 1xValuable Junk.
2.) Pay 10g (some arbitrary higher price) for transmuting 1xJunk-> Whatever comes out.
2.) Pay 5g for transmuting 1xValuable Junk, with the option to buy a 2nd one at discounted price should I get 2 instead of 1.

Other alchemists are free to adjust their pricing to meet market demand.


The only people who "should" provide free services to you, are the ones who have benefited from the ones you provided. Chances are, they are your friends, or people you are on good terms with. That's certainly reasonable. A little gold is worth nothing compared to a friendship.

On the other hand, expecting all alchemists on all servers to provide free services to everyone is silly.

 

Bloodtear

Limiting the discussion to friends (or lets say guild members) and disenchanting (part of the profession that takes some material and produces some other material from it). It is normal to provide free service for them and I don't mind that.
My comparaison was that, if you expect me to provide free service, giving away every dust/essence/shard that comes from the disenchant, you should provide it as well (give away both potions/elixirs/transmutes products in case of a proc).

And for the people saying that enchanting is a cheep profession because it does not have a huge cooldown, I spent 400 gold worth of reagents yesterday for leveling my enchanting to 325. I didn't earn anything for it. No one is going to pay for enchanting +100HP on a chest or +5spirit on boots at a time they frequently change their gear and there are more powerful enchants coming.

 

◊ Kalman

Got the Major Holy Protection Potion recipe tonight when I was screwing around kiting the demons in the flying-mount-only sections of Blade's Edge, off an Abyssal Flamebringer.

For the record, the recipe is BOP, and 360 skill to learn. Luckily, Laplace is an alchemist.

edit: And if the social expectation is that the extra would go to the person providing the mats, then the social expectation can kindly go $%^& itself. You paid me for a transmute, you got a transmute. I wouldn't expect anyone else to give me the bonus transmute if I paid, and I don't expect anyone to ask for the bonus transmute.

(Laplace, once I get his alch up, will be specializing in transmutes.)

 

◊ Drauk

Do you had 360 skill ? I'm asking because i heard that bop recipes are invisible to those that can't learn them.

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spronk

I do not believe thats true Drauk, I have gotten a 360 enchanting recipe from a mob (solo grinding) and I'm only 325. What might be true is that if no-one in the group has the profession, the recipe won't show - I haven't yet seen a BoP alchemy, jewelcrafting, etc recipe when solo. Pure speculation, I don't know the answer.

 

Mygore

I believe BOP recipes only drop when a person in your group or yourself is of said profression. Today a blacksmithing recipe dropped doing an instance and only one person could see it and roll for it and he was a blacksmith. The level of your profession doesn't play a role in wether you cans ee it or not.

 

Darien

Gotta agree with Kalman on this subject. Disenchanting is a terribly flawed argument to use against transmute masters.

1. Disenchanting gives a variable amount of product by default
2. You can't spec to give more mats from a disenchant, and if you could there would be no way to tell how much was extra because of #1
3. Transmutes have a fixed transaction quantity. 1 for 1.
4. If you use one of your specializations to get 1 more every once in a while, that 1 more is yours and yours alone unless you are feeling nice that day.

Enchanters make money from selling enchants. Enchanters can disenchant with no cooldown (just for the mats for their money maker). Alchemists make money selling potions and transmutes. Transmutes have a cooldown. Capisch?

 

◊ Drauk

So, i've got a question. What's the best area for dreaming glory ? Felweed is everywhere, terocone is mostly in Terokkar forest, but dreaming glory seems very scarce.

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• Lanky

Its like mountain silversage, you find it in hilly areas. Blade's Edge has a decent amount.

I too have a question: How the heck do I effectively skill up past 360? I have Major defense elixirs at yellow, and that is it. Ancient Lichen runs out fast.

I looked around for other vendor recipes and could not find any, horde side, that would level me, short of gaining revered with a few factions.

 

• Arawethion

Do Flasks count as Elixirs for spec purposes?


Regardless, I'm planning on going Transmute. The total value of transmutation I've output over the past year is far, far higher than that of Potion- or Elixir-making, and I don't really expect that to change.

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

Ngita

If their is someone who has the skil only they see them. But if their is nobody with the skill everybody sees it. A guild group had +12 stam to boots (bop) drop in mana tombs with no enchanter in group and everybody saw it.

Their is no comparison between tranmutes and disenchanting. But regardless that bonus for the alchemist wil get built into the common price for the transmute anyway. Its like the enchanters yesterday paying people to take enchants as long as they supplied materials.

 

◊ Kalman

I don't have 360 skill; I'm actually at 300, Laplace's alchemy has to wait til I level Kalman to have a source of herbs (Kal is herb/ench, Laplace is alch/tailor).

 

thejdawg

I think that much is true. However, I'm going to be going elixir.

My reasoning:
Assuming you have someone else in your guild who is potion/elixir spec, there will be no reason for you to make pots, unless that person doesn't sign on. You'd essentially have the profession for transmutes, and transmutes alone. The point was brought up earlier: you're throwing away the chance of free/extra potions/elixirs if you make them yourself and are transmute specialized.

I know it's just a personal thing, but I'd hate to have a profession to use for only 30 seconds every 1/2 days. And if you're going to use it for transmutes and transmutes alone, i.e. as a moneymaker, you'd be better off grabbing a second gathering profession and selling what you collect. But really, that's just a silly self-perception of mine.

 

cladnin

Major Dreamless Sleep Potion anyone? Need it for Potion Mastery, can't seem to find it.

 

legatto

Are there any actual solid numbers on procrates for the different masteries yet?

 

◊ Acustar

They go green at 367 :( I havn't found any new recipes to skill up on.

 

◊ Drauk

Not really exact numbers, but very interesting to see

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=484460

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berg

I looked but could not find this information.

Does anyone know, possibly from beta, which potions you much craft to discover the new flasks? Furthermore what kind of odds are involved in this dicovery?


Some digging for information leads me to believe that the discovery is largely random as opposed to being linked to the potion that you are crafting.

 

Illidor

Is there a minimum skill level to be able to "discover" the new flasks?

 

berg

I do not know. When I discovered Flask of Fort I had 238 and the flask recipe is orange. 238 is pretty low so my guess is that they have the same required skill as their discovery potion.

To be honest now I am not even sure that there is a direct mapping between base potions and the flasks they unlock. There is a lot of conflicting information out there :(

 

spronk

For what its worth I had my level 51 alt summoned to shattrah, then I proceeded to run her all around outlands picking up FPs - Zangarmarsh, allerian, HH. An interesting note, honor hold is auto-seeded for everyone, once I got to allerian I had the flight path to HH already in my map so everything got connected. I assume it would be the same for horde.

Leveled her alchemy to 350 easy and now I can transmute primal mights :) Can't learn alchemy specialization unfortunately, thats a level 70 quest. All the other transmutes are also rep based rewards so can't pick any of them up. It was trivial leveling up to 350 with a few stacks of dreamfoil, silversage, felwood, terrocone, and the other two top herbs (didn't even use my lichen!). Did cost about 80g, mostly due to the imbued vials and recipes.

 

vespera

Do you remember what potions you were making?

 

berg

I am 100% certain I was making a super healing potion. I was at 238 and wanted to skill up to 240 and decided that those would be most useful so I queued up like 3 pots and I discovered the flask. Someone else though is certain that they learned the same recipe from that +15 all stats potion (the name escapes me)