Before getting too antsy about it (and I enjoy the discussion on the mechanics) it can't be stressed enough that we have NO idea what the raid mobs are going to be like. It's like the Daze thing. Everyone I know is getting all flustered about the Daze not working on raid mobs situation when I can't imagine they'd be putting in abilities for almost every class that rely on Dazing. So, 8 second cast and everything? Useless in the game NOW. I'll be interested to see what situations are going to crop up where it actually is useful.

Or there might not be any. :) I'm adopting a wait and see attitude.

Abilites that cause Daze

Warrior's Piercing Howl
Warrior's Shield Bash
Rogue's Sinister Strike/Backstab 25% of the time with 5/5 Tier 8 Combat Talent
Mage's Blastwave
Paladin's Captain America 41 Prot Talent

If they removed the increased Mana Cost (um blizzard why does it cost me more mana just because they're vulnerable!) it would be a decent talent for group pvp, trash mobs and boss adds.

You forgot the Hunter's Concussive shot.

There is some synergy, but it needs to be developed further.

So after looking at Mage's DPS without BC talents and with...

It looks like the various builds get 5-8% more damage (picking up Arcane Instability or the Empowered Frostbolt/Fireball). Fire and Frost get burst DPS well still being good overall DPS, with either Molten Fury or Arcane Power.

A lot is going to depend on how grouping and raiding works, especially what mobs can be debuffed with stuff like Daze or Frozen.

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