http://www.nihilum.co.uk/news/

To anyone whom it might concern! 2nd worldwide kill, 1st horde side and 1st EU kill.
Grats to them, because that's exceptionally pro!

It being "only" the second kill might not justify a thread, but seeing it was #1 both horde and EU I'm going to take the chance! ;)

What makes me sad is the fact that both raids stacked heavy on the warriors. Does this mean, it'll never be posible with less then 6 warriors?

the funny thing about both of the 4h kills is that DnT and nihilium were actively recruiting 4 piece DN warriors cross-server :-P we've been actively gearing up ours, but didn't go quite that far heh.

impressive stuff tho. from the minimal time we've been able to spend on them with our raid schedule and unstable server, the fight is just crazy, and major credit is due to anyone who takes them down.

months behind (though I guess in the same reset as dnt. so effectively a tie.)

getting a bit worried about that as well... will we as a 'average' semi-hardcore guild ever be able to down the 4 horsemen if we dont start giving priority to all our tanks now ? our guild is usually rather warrior heavy but half the time we did need a druid to tank that extra add on faerlina. will we even stand a chance against 4H ? i can only assume that by the time we get to them, they will be nerfed to some extent so we will be able to take them down.at least thats what i hope because even though we are really doing ok at the moment (8 bosses down) for the amount of time and effort we put in theres no way we will be able to kill them in their current form.


and as far as recruiting goes, nihilum itself is mostly rather perma recruiting, nearly wouldn't call them a guild in the traditional sense since they have a very very small core of guild members, and the rest is more or less coming and going. they had a huge wave of recruitment shortly before their cthun kill, then after, then now again, etc. thats not to belittle their achievments since it IS a huge achievment after all, its just that the guild seems to be more like a meeting point of able and motivated raiders more than a guild in the sense that most people here i guess know it (if i would guess id say we have still around 30+ people in my guild who were there on our first onyxia kill).

Can anyone actually see a hunter in Nihilum's screenshots?

and yeha.. 8 warriors, 3 thunderfuries, if they don't nerf that encounter, it'll be a 1 guild per server thing to get past it.

Deify (right of tauren warrior in middle) seems to be a hunter.

Im glad you know so much about Nihilum. Im sure you know about that we just had a IRL gathering 1 month ago, where 33 members showed up from all over Europe. Greeks, brits, dutchies, dane, swedes, norweigans, germans the list goes on. Where we spent 5 days together and did various activies. We're probably the most tight Guild of all when it comes to a big core of members. We still got 30-40 Members that we did Onyxia/MC with. The thing is if you wanna stay at the top level you need to recruit the second someone takes a break/quit or whatever. The reason we recruited ppl for naxx is not cause we lacked people or had people leaving us. It's just because we had a BAD raid mix for a bunch of naxx encounters. Same goes for horsemen, it's pretty hard to field 8 warriors if you don't even have 8 in the guild. So then you're forced to recruit a warrior or two if you want them dead. It's that simple.

Anyway not gonna bother more with morons that talk out of their asses without any clue at all.

Sooo.... he made a silly assumption and then you make one right back?

Yup, Deify "2 packs" is a hunter. I'll let you figure out why he got that nickname when he was in our guild :)

Owned.

To me, the ridiculous nature of this fight screams "Come back when you're level 63" because suddenly with 4 piece of DN you have 0 taunt resists instead of (Chance to resist on 63 as 60 - 5)%

Glad to see Nihilium holding it up for the EU though :)

You don't need 4 pce DN. Also before you start spouting off about their claim that OMFG alliance imbalances because of totems, since they cried about that. They either need a new strat or better management of their raid group, since I could easily utilize totems to their fullest with our strat, and we didn't bring anywhere near 19 healers.

Re: Warriors. As far as I can tell it's not mathematically possible with less than 6 taunts of some kind, and unlikely with less than 8. 4pce dreadnaught is a luxury not a necessity. We recruited people with "1. Your gear is well above tier 2, with several Dreadnaught pieces." Most likely people that have dreadnaught would both have defeated encounters and naxx, and be interested in aquiring tanking gear, both of which were pretty much essential for us.

no one made note that they are in fact horde. i think thats pretty impressive.

also i only spot 1 warlock. might be one hidden though. definitely no orc warlocks though. such raid stacking =/
can't see anything from their dkp site on what their raid makeup was.

Disappointingly, your lack of profile and subsequent 3-day :redhammer: isn't a world first.

Grats to Mortalis and the rest of Nihilum.

Hopefully we'll see some more kills of them next week.

Nah. There's always a chance of resist because I've had taunt resists on level 59 shit while wearing my DN.

Also keep fighting the good fight Xi. Lets see if we can get a warriors a decent 8 piece bonus.

The 8 piece is so, so. You have to look at the multiplied affect. Usually when someone drops that low they recieve a ton of heals, so you're getting the effect on each one. Although ideally you'd replace it with something that increases say armor and resists by X amount or percent. That would be much more effective at helping one cheat death. The problem with the 4 pce is because the resist rate is 17% the 5% it provides doesn't adequately cover a scenario like 4h in which you're depending on virtually every taunt to land, and you can only use your other o shit moves rather infrequently.

In terms of tanking or damage (or both)?

Wrath is pretty nice for a tank, not great but 4% extra parry is nothing to complain about. Healing on Dreadnaught is pretty hot for things like Patchwerk or maybe Maxxena or so. Not exceptional but a nice thing to have.

Damage abilities yeah those really suck for warriors.

Yeah -- I obviously don't speak from a position of equal knowledge here, but 6 is what I'd come up with as well. What we did was default DN to our tanks, from day one in the zone, until we had 4/8 on four of them, and then let DKP rule from that point on. That's left us a good mix of DN-geared tanks (also helped with farming Patchwerk, etc.) and rogues who have been able to benefit from excellent BS pieces.

And yes, I haven't really seen anything in the fight that would favor Alliance vs. Horde. I guess you're a bit more limited in how you put your groups together vis-a-vis their assigned movements if you want totems, but whatever.

Anyway, grats to Nihilum, quite impressive.

Edit:
The problem is exactly that, though. A tank is never safer than moments after his health has just dipped to critically low levels. Every healer in the raid simultaneously freaks out and a lot of overhealing follows. The concept is great, but as you said, something that makes the tank less likely to die in those situations would be incredible -- something that enhances heals once they already land is meh.

Certainly true, there will still be resists but far far fewer than there currently are, which could eventually make it doable with a normal 5, 6 warrior raid.

Which of course isn't to say it can't be done without stacking the raid somewhat, but it will certainly be a much easier gimmick/mechanic fight when you don't have 10% of your taunts resisted.

Well we have lot more nature swiftness than you do. So when that happens you get 2/3 max rank ns heals and then some flash heals from priests that are all over heal. So it's not that useful then either.