Prezze

Can any cow please tell me how your 5% hp racial works please.
Is it calculated after equipment sta and any other sta bonus?
You think it will be calculated after BoK?
You think it will stack with warriors vitality talent?

Oh and if all these are yes, then i have to say WTH!!!
They go for 5% increase with warrior tier 8 talent due to 10% being imbalanced and you guys get that for free?!??!!!?!

Thx in advance

 

Ayle

RED HAMMER!

 

ogun

Edit:

Removed because I'm going to try to be nice.

 

• Kalroth

First off, I'd recommend you to fill out your profile _before_ posting, it makes you a bit more credible and less of a gibbering, slack-jawed WoW forum gimp.
Although your excessive usage of exclamation and question marks does point to the latter. :)

The 5% health racial does indeed scale with your gear, which is why you see a lot of horde tauren tanks around.
I don't know about Blessing of Kings, but it would be possible to test it currently with a priest MCing you and a paladin buffing you.
Vitality is anyones guess, although I'd put my money on it _not_ stacking since Blizzard seems to dislike stacking, but maybe someone managed to test it on PTR before the talent was removed.

Finally, since you say "you guys", I assume you're alliance. In which case you got zero reason to cry over Tauren health racial, having had BoK available for so long.

 

Ziggurat

No one was able to test it on PTR, unfortunately. The premade warriors were non-tauren, and the talent itself was bugged so that copied characters could weren't able to select it as a talent.

 

Nozmordre

Vitalaty not stacking with the Tauren racial would seem rather odd as one targets stamina and the other targets health.
It would also mean you either have a useless racial or a useless talent.

 

Prezze

Done. Updated my profile.

And no i'm a troll off-tank.

Sorry for the angry tone but after our talent release and the 25-man change i'm finding it hard to justify me geting a raid spot without going full protection. And if vitality stack i can never be as good a tank as i would be as a tauren, thats a fact.

Maybe i should just level one incase it does stack, keep in reserv.

 

Brissa

I think the interesting question is how they can justify such a powerful racial ability in burning crusade where both sides will have BoK.
Having a 5 point tier 8 talent give less benefit as one racial ability is just plain imbalanced.

And please no "you were imba before so now its our turn" responses as they dont really contribute anything.

 

Rz

Troll passive Regeneration is nothing to sneeze at in a long fight.

Yes, the Tauren +5% hp bonus stacks over Blessing of Kings. Blessing of Kings increases stamina, not hp. My Tauren warrior has been MC'd and BoK'd.

Do the other class +stat talents stack with BoK? E.g., Lightning Reflexes (Hunter)? There's your answer about BoK and Vitality stacking.

I'm not so sure that the Tauren racial will be so imbalanced in the expansion, as that would totally depend on fight design. And it's also limited to a single warrior role: clearly, Human warriors have a major dps advantage with +5 swords and maces. There's no more reason to nerf that than there is Tauren HP.

 

Pyros

Dwarves have an armor boost, humans generate rage faster especially when offtanking(ok this one isn't too hot), elves have 1%dodge and gnomes... Fuck gnome warriors, and fuck gnomes ^^
Obviously the tauren racial will be the best if they leave it like that. Does it mean content will be easier for horde? Probably, after all they scale content on the hardest possible combo(no fear ward no tremor for example). Yes it will be easier to tank with taurens. But hell unless you want clones, you will always have a BETTER choice. Try telling undead fury warriors how they like WoTF when they're getting destroyed by orc MS. I'm sure those night elves rogues sure like their improved shadowmeld stealthing bullshit(did they even make it work yet?)

But well in the end I'm somewhat biased, being an UNDEAD warrior myself, and seeing myself with not even 10k hps unless I was using a zanza or a blasted lands buffs, and having played horde for so long. The only thing I was happy about is I could ALMOST main tank nef without having to rely on someone catching the fears... The hatred runs deep ^^

 

Molri

Troll passive regeneration might not be something to sneeze at but the design of fights so far (disclaimer: that i've reached) seem to weigh towards it being a lot more important to have a large HP pool. If a large HP pool will continue to be important I don't see a reason for any tanks horde side not to be tauren, which is sad tbh. Naxxramas grinding players correct me if I'm wrong but higher max HP >> regeneration any day.

 

Boevis

Having more health certainly can make some fights easier. I can't imagine my guild getting past Patchwerk without our Tauren tanks eating the hateful. However, having slightly more health only takes you so far, once you can survive the maximum hateful strike, you don't need any more health for that fight, it really won't change the spells your healers are using to keep you up, nor will it make their job easier if they are doing it right in the first place.

 

Sess

You seem to correct yourself. Or am I missunderstanding? Do your guild lack good enough gear on the tanks, so they have to be taurens to able to survive the HS? For me it doesnt look like it makes a big diffrence on Patchwerk if the OT has 5% more HP - aslong as they survive a HS. Am I wrong?

http://ctprofiles.net/89907

 

thejdawg

If you're a good player, you will have a spot.

 

Vosk

Don't get his hopes up, he'll be sitting on the bench forever. FOREVER. Like you should, filthy troll.

[13:49] <manly> buu: RIGHT NOW, ALL THE DATA WE HAVE IS 7.3% MULTIPLIER
[13:49] <manly> FUCK

 

Dulahey

The sad part about this is that Human 5% spirit and Gnome 5% intellect works ONLY on your base stat so you only get like 6 or 7 extra points. Either the Tauren racial or the Human/Gnome racial is broke and they've never fixed them.

 

Brissa

I demand that they fix this and let me get full benefit from the +17int on my legguards of the fallen crusader!

 

james

Pretty sure that's wrong - http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=20598 - it's an invisible buff. Have hit over 500 spirit when ridiculously raid buffed... at which point it was giving me a shocking extra 25 spirit....

Used to make me smile when dwarf priests with +22 intellect enchants on their Benediction used to tell me that they'd love +5% spirit :)

 

Schnappi

/rude

I cant wait to get full Dreadnaught and look like the offspring of a Gnome and a Tauren.

 

◊ Zoroaster

We do? Maybe if you use swords or maces, but the same is true for orcs.

Remember that humans gets 5% spirit though, and for healers that is a huge bonus, so I don't really consider the 5%hp for Tauren to be imbalanced.

 

• Kalroth

So you're ok with alliance having had 5-10% more health than everyone before and now that taurens will have 5% more than alliance, you think it's an interesting question why it's justified? :) I'm sorry, but that doesn't seem very contributing either.

I think it's an overall issue with the faction/racial skills. Humans get +5 sword/mace skill for free, orcs get +5 axe skill for free, dorf priests gets fear-ward, orcs get +20% stun resist, etc. etc. It's impossible for Blizzard to balance both PvE and PvP around races with this diversity. Hence people will always find situations where "the other side" is imbalanced and/or "ez-mode".

Who has never heard a rogue go "imba orcs, they aaaalways resist my stuns!" or horde go "imba alliance, fearward on Magdamar and Nefarian roflolol". Or until recently; "imba paladin/shaman buffs!". This will continue over and over until Blizzard eventually caves in and gives/removes racial abilities to/from everyone, just to make the whining stop.

Personally I didn't mind that alliance had paladins and horde had shamans, the various racials doesn't bother me either.
The difference isn't gamebreaking and that's all I care about. But I guess it's an excuse to start Yet Another Flamethread(tm) on the official forums. ;)

 

Brissa

I never claimed it was balanced.
Giving buffs affecting HP to one side only was a bad, bad idea from the get go. Since they have remedied half of the problem already by giving horde BoK they should also get rid of the other half.

 

thejdawg

It used to be like that for all the racials; humans, gnomes and taurens. But they all got fixed at the same time. A while ago actually.

 

Rz

Actually, that's not "theorycraft" that's "baseless speculation" or "wishful thinking." You apparently have no basis for thinking this other than wishing it to be true.

I think the bigger issue with racial isn't how they are currently balanced, but the potential unfairness of making any radical changes. It was bad enough that so many of the racials were difficult to analyze at the outset of the game - who knew what +5 weapon skill meant when they rolled? Who knew which +10 resistances would be useful?

Now that people actually have all the information about which racials do what and can make effective decisions, it would seem wrong to make any significant nerfs. Buffs, sure - is anyone really upset that Troll racials are so good for hunters now? But people have made decisions with full knowledge (or the ability to get full knowledge) of the implication of racials in their current form - including your reroll.

 

Pontiac

Well, I'm not a warrior, but I can tell you that it's pretty likely that Vitality will stack with the Tauren racial, because Tauren hunters can currently stack the 10% Survivalist stam bonus with the 5% racial health bonus for some pretty spectacular hp numbers in raid buffs. I expect Tauren Warriors would see the same results.