Personally I prefer using a slightly lower rank than Heal 3 to allow me the option of using some other heals as well if needed or even throw PW:S. Even on the MT the damage can at times spike horribly, so it's nice to have the mana to use PW:S or a Flash Heal.

I'll add that my Heal rank 1 hits for about 1300 and rank 2 for about 1500 with Amplify however, so that probably influences my opinion somewhat.

I'm also known for pulling silly tricks like momentarily switching to a different tank to throw a quick heal at him though, so I'm most likely not entirely sane in regards to approaching the fight.

We use 3 paladins an a druid on the MT. He takes less spike damage, and paladins can go on much longer. Keep in mind we have a TF proc, so 4 healers is sufficient.

All the priest are spread out on the remaining 3 OT. Mostly Flashheal spamming rank 4 or 5. Yes it works, and feels like molten core :P

For MT healing some things you could try for a common 1 priest, 2 druid, 1 shaman horde setup

Priest - If your horde (no pally FoL)spam endlessly rank 1/2 flash heal. With amp magic my R1 heals for ~850 avg. Don't just stupidly spam the button and /afk, be prepared to shield and keep renew up.
Shaman - chain heal rank1 with a F*** ton of +heal as gurg has mentioned in this thread or healing wave.
Druis x2 - Casting large 2-3k heals to assist with the small heals.


Every single PW kill we've had has had a different MT healing arrangement so its very flexible. We've had 4 druids on him(wasn't fun for them but it worked), 2 druids/ 1 priest/ 1 shaman, 3 druids/1 shaman, well alot of different combinations.

Thanks for all the suggestions and discussion in this thread. We killed patchwerk last night using a 4/7/3/2 healing strategy. In total it took us 4 hours of attempts on him over 2 nights and only 2 attempts with dps on him. We ended up killing him after he double enraged at 4%, but none of our dps classes used consumables because we weren't 100% sure our healing strat was working. We had a shakey start to the attempt where we killed him, but healers ranked up 1 heal on our first OT and he ended up taking 80% of the hateful strikes. 4 healers seemed pretty tight on the MT because he went down to 59 hp at one point, but the overheal on him was next to nothing. Overheal on OT1 was fairly high, but what can you expect with 7 minutes worth of heal spam hehe.

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Theorycrafting here - my guild alliance typically roll with 6 druids. In 2.0, their HoTs will become stacking, meaning we could stick 6 rejuvenates on each tank. How much healing is that?

Rejuvenate 11: 888 health/12 secs, cost 360 mana

+600 healing means it heals for 1488

This breaks down to a mana efficiency of 4.13 health/mana, and healing of 124 health/second. 6 druids all running rejuvs on each of the four tanks could put 744 hps apiece.

Add 5 priests all casting Renew:

Renew 10: 970 health/15 sec, cost 410 mana

+600 healing means it heals for 1570

This breaks down to a mana efficiency of 3.89 health/mana, and 104.67 health/second. Thus, 5 priests all running HoTs would add 523.35 hps to each tank.

Total: 1267.35 heal/second on each tank, or 3802 over all three HS tanks. Adds up to 4562.460 healed in 1.2 seconds. We probably need another 1500 or so healing to close the gap - but we've only committed 11 healers here, meaning we still have 4 healers (paladins or shamans) to throw at traditional heal-spam.

That's pretty incredible from just having druids and priests casting HoTs, in my opinion.

However... Does it make sense? Those HoTs tick once every 3 seconds. The expected result is that the OTs should get hit once, then see their health rise steadily back up to full, or even if all the healers cast at the same time, they should tick to full 0.6 seconds before the next HS hits.

No mana savings from cancel-healing here, unfortunately. But if the druid can whip off her Rejuvs (4 of them) in 1.5 secs each, that's 6 secs non-casting, so she should be able to get an out-of-combat tick.

I'm curious what people think about healing Patchwerk after 1.13 (when the +healing changes go live). Obviously for those that have a good wad of Naxx gear, they can use their same strats because their gear is probably good enough to sustain a higher rank (and their tanks are taking less than when they first got there). The stamina change + the healing change will definately change this encounter. Our guild personally has 2 full protection tanks, this would mean the main tank and 1HS tank would have the HP talent, and it would do a lot to who takes HS when I bet. Without doing too much thinking it would probably be best to use the 2 tanks with vitality as HS and move a tank that isn't full protection to MT?

We do know that the whole legacy dungeon thing in the TBC beta is bugged beyond any horrific hope of clearing due to the odd level calculations (hi 15k hatefuls). We can only hope that when Blizzard goes in to retune/fix the encounters, that they'll rebalance Patch for the new coefficients.

It's likely that'd happen after TBC though, not after 1.13. And at that point, people won't care as much. :(

What the hell are you talking about?

Patchwerk apparently hits tanks for 15k-ish with hateful strike, depending on their level in TBC.

Well, I was more-so talking about raiding Naxx in 1.13 before TBC comes out.

Yep, in TBC healer flasks are giving a huge amount of mana/5 and (i think) +healing, instead. As well as some extra stamina :)

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:( there goes my chance of Atiesh unless they fix Patch before go-live. We would probably have kept doing Naxxramas for a while, but something this broken means we probably won't even try.

I'm also wondering what kind of healing strategies we are going to see on Patchwerk with the reduced effectiveness of lower ranked heals. Stacking HoTs will certainly play a role.

Since I haven't seen it mentioned in any of the patch-notes, (or I just plain missed it) are they going to change the amount of buff/de-buff slots for this patch? Renews, Rejuvs and Regrowths can only stack so much when the tanks already has 10+ buffs on him.

Well, i've been thinking a little and i don't rly see it changing THAT much. Atleast not for guilds who's been downing him a while.

Just step up like 1-2 ranks on your heals. Your gear should have improved by now and i guess many healers have scaled down on consumeables to balance... Just switch up some rank and start chugging full consumeables again. The nerf isn't THAT steep. Just don't use like Rank 1 or possibly 2 of spells and your gonna be fine.
I do pitty guilds who's just going up against him tho. That's gonna be quite brutal tbh :/

A question... Will Imp def stance affect HS? It's considerd a spell, or?

Well, anyhow...

I seriously think there's gonna be a new cockblock in Naxx.. Welcome to Noth without decursive! I SOoooooooo don't look forward to handling this and teaching our allready mentally inept mages to split up de-cursing. If anything, that's gonna be the thing that makes us put raiding on hold.

Noth and then even Heigan and GWF to smaller extent... Yeah, manually decursing AoE abilities is gonna ROCK!

Thanks for this thread. We took him in a 'short' time and I honestly think it had a very large part due to the helpful constructive ideas and suggestions on this and a few other EJ threads.

Thank you.

Please reference posts in this thread regarding a 2-OT strat: http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewt...246789#p246789

Anyway, the response I was going to post there, to the idea that OT3 might get splattered if he gets topped off too quickly, is that in the alternative, you'd either lose OT1 or OT2, or lose a fury warrior.

With three OTs and only a single healer on the third, the proper strat is fairly simple, but proper fine-tuning of individual healers' healing patterns is key.

In simplest form:

MT: Spam

OT1: If the tank is at 100%hp, he is about to get HS'd, so start a heal. If the tank is <100% hp, he needs healing, so heal him.
Net effect: Spam mid-rank heals.

OT2: If OT1 is <100%hp, OT2 is about to get HS'd, so start a heal. If OT2 is <100%hp, he needs healing, so heal him.
Net effect: Watch OT1's health. When it dips, start a mid-rank heal on OT2, and then continue to heal until OT2 is at full. Repeat.

OT3: If OT1 and OT2 are at <100%hp, OT3 is about to get HS'd, so start a heal. If OT3 is <100%hp, he needs healing, so heal him.
Net effect: Watch OT1 and OT2's health bars. If both are injured at the same time, start a max-rank heal. Continue healing OT3 until full.

On the 2-OT strat...

I see no reason to gimp yourself by only having two tanks ready to take a HS, other than saving some consumables.

If you are hell bent on doing a 2-OT strat, you should still have a 3rd OT geared up and ready lots of armor pots. If you've got the gear, you might even avoid flasking this guy (do the math and make sure he can live through a worst case hateful strike).

Don't put any healers on this third OT. If the third OT never gets hit (and if he is generating the threat needed to stay on the list of primed tanks), then your two tank strategy works.

If he DOES get hit, then you saved some people from dying. Or worst case, you saved OT1 or OT2 from receiving a fatal HS.

This provides a much safer way to troubleshoot your strategy.

Lets pretend for a moment that the WoW 2.0 patch goes into place tomorrow. Given the new mechanics of down ranking heals, and HoT stacking, how do we approach this fight now to make it still achievable? Will 10 druids/priests stacking HoTs with some carefully timed high ranked heals be sufficient?

Are you able to stack HoTs out of group? I'll write assuming that you can.

The last time I calculated, the MT takes about 1200 DPS, and the OTs take about 2600 DPS combined (probably a lower figure now, given improved gear). Figure 40% avoidance on a geared, buffed tank, and you have 2000 peak DPS on the MT, and about 4300 DPS peak on the OTs combined.

Let's assume with buffs and gear, the average HoT is 450/tic, so we'll give ourselves 1500 healing/second per target (10 Druids/Priests all maintaining their HoT on each target). So that would leave about 500 healing/sec on the MT and the OTs would be covered.

I'm not 100% sure I buy the numbers, but I suppose if I was going to test my math, I'd throw 1 Paladin on our MT, 2 on OT1, 1 on OT2, and 1 on OT3 (we usually have 5 Paladins in raid), and then 10 Priests/Druids maintaining their HoT on each tank. The Paladin (or Shaman) would throw maintenance heals on each hit for the OTs, or probably use a cast/cancel technique on the MT allowing heals to hit if the MT drops below 60%.

That's what I'm coming up with.

10 renew/rejuvs healing for an avg 450hp every 3 seconds on each HS tank is only 4.5k HP healed. Probably a bit of above avg in numbers's for you avg geared priest/druid, just an estimate number. It won't be enough to heal over the HS damage within time for 3 cycles. It might could be used to assist direct heals, but most of the HoT healing then would just be overheal and wasted mana imo.

And.. downranking isn't killed. The effect of spells lvl40 and below are just recieving a higher penalty to the benefit of +heal. Currently that level is at level 20. So after xpack any lvl40+ spell will still receive its normal +heal bonus ration. For priests, G.heal1 is level 40. Won't really change anything for us.

edit: heh funball

Apparation, the following blue post indicates that the "level 40 cap" on downranking is not correct. Any spell below level 54 will be penalized.