GamingManiac

Our MT druid would usually spam HT4 or HT5, I can't remember what it was. That's about the only change though. Shaman Chain Heal R1 is right at 40, so all our CHs are unchanged, and that's all we use for Patchwerk.

 

Althor

Hmmm I must be missing something but I was under the impression that the level cap thing isn't at 40 but is related to your level and the levels you learnt the various ranks of the spell at.

In particular the % you get in terms of this downranking change is given by the formula:

100% * min(1,(SpellLevel(min(Rank+1,TopRank))+5)/PlayerLevel)

Where TopRank it the top rank for the spell, Rank is the rank of the spell you're after, SpellLevel(X) is the level you learnt the Rank X of the spell and PlayerLevel is of course the Player's Level.

(Further penalties still apply for spells < Lvl 20)

An example with Healing Touch at level 60:

Healing Touch Rank 4 (Lvl 20): 100%*min(1,(SpellLvl(min(4+1,11))+5)/60) = 100%*min(1,(26+5)/60) = 51.67%
Healing Touch Rank 5 (Lvl 26): 100%*min(1,(SpellLvl(min(5+1,11))+5)/60) = 100%*min(1,(32+5)/60) = 61.67%
Healing Touch Rank 6 (Lvl 32): 100%*min(1,(SpellLvl(min(6+1,11))+5)/60) = 100%*min(1,(38+5)/60) = 71.67%
Healing Touch Rank 7 (Lvl 38): 100%*min(1,(SpellLvl(min(7+1,11))+5)/60) = 100%*min(1,(44+5)/60) = 81.67%
Healing Touch Rank 8 (Lvl 44): 100%*min(1,(SpellLvl(min(8+1,11))+5)/60) = 100%*min(1,(50+5)/60) = 91.67%
Healing Touch Rank 9 (Lvl 50): 100%*min(1,(SpellLvl(min(9+1,11))+5)/60) = 100%*min(1,(56+5)/60) = 100%
Healing Touch Rank 10 (Lvl 56): 100%*min(1,(SpellLvl(min(10+1,11))+5)/60) = 100%*min(1,(60+5)/60) = 100%
Healing Touch Rank 11 (Lvl 60): 100%*min(1,(SpellLvl(min(11+1,11))+5)/60) = 100%*min(1,(60+5)/60) = 100%

So Rank 8, a level 44 spell only gets 91.67%, not 100%. Of course the new talents might compensate for this.

 

Elerion

Any tactic that assumed full spam on one or more tanks, like a 7/4/1 split or similar, is now harder to pull off.

 

Boevis

Your healers were able to keep up the tanks using lower than rank 7 HT/HW (gheal 1)? And it's not like your casting speed has changed any (except druids using HT4 ...)

 

Rogar

We used our typical setup of 4/7/3/2 this week to kill Patchwerk on our 2nd attempt (first attempt OT2 stole aggro in the first 3 seconds and died). Four druids in treeform casting Rejuv/Regrowth/Swiftmend on the MT. Four priests on OT1 spamcast Heal (rank 4) with Greather Heal (rank 1) every 15 sec for the 8pc Trans proc, and 3 druids spamcast Healing Touch (rank 6). OT2 was 2 paladins and 1 priest reactive healing. OT3 is 2 paladins reactive healing keeping up Judgement of Wisdom and Light, and proccing Nightfall. The fight was rather uneventful with a kill around 6min.

 

Saigone

My guild killed patchwerk for the first time just before the patch with 16 healers and no TF. This was with 3 Priests+2 Pallys on the MT, 3 Priests+Druid+pally on Ot1. 2 Pallys+2 Druids on OT2 and 2 Druids on OT3. An overall 5/5/4/2

I was really apprehensive going into it today as we only had 14 healers and still no TF (although this is now offset by improved TC). I put 4 druids on the MT, initially they were told to stay treeform to see if that works. We had a try with 4/4/2 on the offtanks, but it just didnt seem to be enough healing and tanks were taking HS at about 80% Hp and dying.

At this point I decided to have a try at just chasing the HS about and just reactive healing the damage from the HS with the same 4 druids on the MT. Once you've gotten in to the swing of things and can tell who is going to get the hateful it works pretty well. It was fine up to about 20% where OT2 fell over, shortly follwed by OT3 (as happens when theres 2 up). i just shouted on vent for everyone assigned to offtank healing to heal the remaining offtank. A couple of rogues got hatefulled and fell over, but he went down easily enough pre enrage with OT2+3 and maybe 3 rogues dead.

Reactive healing does seem to work ok though when you are short on healers, but you really dont want to try it at the end of the raid when everyone is not concentrating after 3-4 hours.