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Old 08/29/06, 2:57 PM   #26
Falcon24
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Sweet. Craftable leg enchants definitely beat the agony of ZG any day.

Unfortunately that only seems to help casters and healers, unless Leatherworking and Blacksmithing are going to get similar additions. :P

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Old 08/29/06, 2:57 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by Kytrarewn
Not sure how I feel about this one. +4 to all stats is an incredibly powerful boost, especially to a ring, but it also seems to mean that I'll be using my Band of Accuria that much longer.
However, as Kalman pointed out in the spells thread, if you click on the spell for enchant ring: stats, the applied spell only adds 1 of each stat to the ring.

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Old 08/29/06, 3:01 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by ex-Falcon24
Sweet. Craftable leg enchants definitely beat the agony of ZG any day.

Unfortunately that only seems to help casters and healers, unless Leatherworking and Blacksmithing are going to get similar additions. :P
I can't imagine that they wouldn't. It's a pretty obvious mechanic meant to help the crafting professions more economically beneficial.

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Old 08/29/06, 3:02 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by ex-Falcon24
Sweet. Craftable leg enchants definitely beat the agony of ZG any day.

Unfortunately that only seems to help casters and healers, unless Leatherworking and Blacksmithing are going to get similar additions. :P
I think it's safe to assume as much. There would be horrible fallout from both trade camps if tailors received such a major boost in economic viability, and they're provided nothing.

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Old 08/29/06, 3:02 PM   #30
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Originally Posted by Grayson Carlyle
Originally Posted by Kytrarewn
Not sure how I feel about this one. +4 to all stats is an incredibly powerful boost, especially to a ring, but it also seems to mean that I'll be using my Band of Accuria that much longer.
However, as Kalman pointed out in the spells thread, if you click on the spell for enchant ring: stats, the applied spell only adds 1 of each stat to the ring.
However, I also noticed that the +spelldamage/+healing ones only apply 1 damage and 1 healing, so... something's up in the DB, or else this is an anti-twinking mechanism where the bonus applied is related to your level.

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Old 08/29/06, 3:10 PM   #31
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I wish they would have matched up frost with fire and arcane with shadow. It seems unfortunate that they talked so highly of elemental builds in 1.11, then they force mages to choose one or the other.

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Old 08/29/06, 3:12 PM   #32
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I'd rather see Arcane and Frost since I never touch fire, but we can't all have what we want. Shadow/Frost and Arcane/Fire seem to just be the common matchup scheme Blizzard uses.

Arcane/Frost and Fire/Shadow would actually make a lot more sense imo since that would give both classes who would use the enchants two spell lines that are affected by it, but that's just me.

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Old 08/29/06, 3:13 PM   #33
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Originally Posted by Nork
I wish they would have matched up frost with fire and arcane with shadow. It seems unfortunate that they talked so highly of elemental builds in 1.11, then they force mages to choose one or the other.
It seems deliberate. Warlocks have to make the choice between shadow and fire (now that fire is viable with Incinerate). Fire and Arcane together are the worst two trees for mages to combine for damaging capabilities, as Arcane Blast can be beaten by Fireball in terms of pushing out DPS.

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Old 08/29/06, 3:14 PM   #34
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Enchant Chest - Exceptional Mana : Permanently enchant a piece of chest armor to grant +150 mana.
Always with the RUBBISH CASTER ENCHANT TO CHEST *bloodrage*. Why can't they make it 225 mana, or even 200? Hell 15 int and save the bullshit, god knows .25 spellcrit is sfa.

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Old 08/29/06, 3:22 PM   #35
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Hmm, spell damage to bracers/etc means I have to give up a few hundred HP, though those leg enchants would replace that from the looks of it.

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Old 08/29/06, 3:26 PM   #36
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man, the difference between someone with unenchanted, unsocketed gear and someone with the best kind is going to be enormous.

Also going to be a pain in the ass every time you get a new piece of gear. Even rings now!

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Old 08/29/06, 3:29 PM   #37
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You do lose the 1% hit from legs for 15 stamina. That may or maynot be a problem though depending on hit gear/talent spec.

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Old 08/29/06, 3:41 PM   #38
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Why can't I have mongoose for ranged =[

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Old 08/29/06, 4:24 PM   #39
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No updated Healing Power to weapon? :(

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Old 08/29/06, 4:42 PM   #40
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As much as I'm disappointed not to see them, I suspect belt and wand enchants will be saved for future expansions.

While the ring enchants are welcome, I hope the maximum number of buffs is raised from 32. Otherwise warriors losing buffs due to the buff limit will be even more commonplace when learning new content.

If spellthread is really a tailoring crafted item, and there's a head equivalent item elsewhere, I will be rejoicing. Eleven months and three exalted characters later, just thinking of ZG make my eyes bleed. Also, any economic opportunities to make raid repair money are always welcome.

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Old 08/29/06, 4:44 PM   #41
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Would +70 attack power on a two handed weapon finally be something superior to Crusader for warriors?

I kinda hope not since proc based enchants are a lot more fun imo.

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Old 08/29/06, 5:33 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Lord BEEF
Would +70 attack power on a two handed weapon finally be something superior to Crusader for warriors?

I kinda hope not since proc based enchants are a lot more fun imo.
proc enchants are much cooler for sure. here's to hoping they make mongoose able to proc off ranged attacks!

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Old 08/29/06, 5:51 PM   #43
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I am thinking the hope with the split is that if your server is short on, say, warlocks (to pick an example completely at random) that picking a specialization won't hurt (as much as it feels like it, I don't think anyone's exactly drowning in moonkin either).

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Old 08/29/06, 5:52 PM   #44
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here's to hoping they make mongoose able to proc off ranged attacks!
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Old 08/29/06, 6:37 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Khalikryst
Kind of wierd the runic/mystic spellthreads are just "spell damage" though and not the usual d&h.
Didn't they just change spell power to effect healing also?

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Old 08/29/06, 6:51 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Khalikryst
Kind of wierd the runic/mystic spellthreads are just "spell damage" though and not the usual d&h.
It probably is both damage & healing. Spell power enchant description just says damage, but it was fixed last patch to do both. Likely the same thing is happening here.

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Old 08/29/06, 6:52 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by Crossbones
man, the difference between someone with unenchanted, unsocketed gear and someone with the best kind is going to be enormous.

Also going to be a pain in the ass every time you get a new piece of gear. Even rings now!
It's like that now, though less extreme. The ZG enchants really skewed the relative power of certain enchanted items versus non-enchanted base-upgrade items.

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Old 08/29/06, 7:10 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Nemesism
Originally Posted by Elendril
here's to hoping they make mongoose able to proc off ranged attacks!
You'll be doomed to Wingclip spam in the Exp as a cruel fate.
that is a cruel and awful joke. Part of the allure of melee weapons (from the perspective of a lifetime Hunter) and their enchants are the special "burst" qualties of procs. Static stats are always more tangible to calculate and see how they affect your damage and sustainability, but the sparkly quality of a proc that makes you say ooooh is plain neat. There are so very few items that can be applied to hunters in that way, the zg claws (they're grrreat?) and 8/8 DS. How would that affect hunters if the lifestealing, fiery, or Mongoose (or Crusader lol) on a melee weapon worked off of ranged attacks?

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Old 08/30/06, 12:59 AM   #49
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I hope leatherworking gets DPS patterns, Blacksmithing getting Tanking patterns and maybe one of the instances will have a ZG style belt enchant

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Old 08/30/06, 2:43 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by Lord BEEF
Would +70 attack power on a two handed weapon finally be something superior to Crusader for warriors?

I kinda hope not since proc based enchants are a lot more fun imo.
Since Crusader averages to 25str I believe, its a bit better.

I'm looking forward to Mongoose on tanking weapons, since there seems to be no new +agil to one-hander. 120 agil is 6% dodge. Wonder at the proc rate.

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