I am currently have an argument with a tank in my guild. Being a warlock i consider myself in no way a expert on warriors and need some advice as there is some drama involved and before i decide on the best decision would like to have all my ducks in a row.
We recently completed Echoes of war,and one of our MT recieved his bracers. Overall him and me agree that + 4 deffence +10hp is overall better for a MT that a chance on hit +4 parry barring gimmicked fights (ie parry an unbalacing strike is obviously better i would think then having some extra defense). Keep in mind the MT dosent have 440 defense yet.
Also,i know there's a Warrior Dps spreadsheet out there,but is there a Tanking spreadsheet available?
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What the fuck is this shit? When to break 8/8? The bonus that's like 4% parry at best and probably worse once kalman comes to correct me? Break it when you get something with better ac/sta. That is if you ever bother to complete it.
Oh I wrote that based entirely on the topic. Your tank seams to have a clue, wear the bracers.
I always thought that bonus was poor at best. But I've seen/heard alot of warriors not wanting to break it. I guess alot of ppl just NEED to have full sets
If you have improved shield block and 8/8 Wrath it probably helps a good deal as you will have that buff up quite a bit if you make good use of your shield block skill.
It's really not that great. It's cool but as soon as I would get 1-2 upgraded pieces from aq or naxx I would "break" it.
It's actually a buff that give +100% parry 4% of the time after a block and not +4% parry after a block or something like that.
A tank in wrath will have something like 20% dodge, 20% parry and 10% miss rate against him, meaning 50% pure mitigation. So if I "proc" 100% parry, I'm actually at 10 miss/20 dodge and like 120 parry, meaning that around half of that is worthless. So count that the bonus is worth half when it's up. The only thing I'm not sure is that if miss remove the buff or no. If the mob doesn't miss, you will parry the next attack with the buff on. In that case it would be worth 60% or so of 4% parry.
How much is it up? Depend how much % of attack you block, with 20-25% shield block + improved shield block, every non missed/parried or dodged attack should be blocked unless the mob attack faster then normal or if you get stunned. Let's say 75%. Adjust at your convenience.
I do have imp shield block and 8/8. I plan on switching to 2/8 dreadnaught and 6/8 wrath when i get my bracers and boots. but untell than. i would like the 4 parry because it helps a lot more than 10 life i would think
I decided to break it when I got 2pieces that were better than wrath. That was when I got the fankriss shoulders on top of my emp's belt. Then added naxx bracers, those 3 are very good to switch wrath for. Conqueror BP is another very good addition.
DN belt isn't so hot if you have emp's belt, it depends on the fight, the 2pc bonus DN is good for low rage high threat fights like noth, where you'll spend more time revenging because you're starved for rage. DN boots are really good tho, if you can get those it's another awesome upgrade.
So at your level of progression, I'd say you'd end up having wrath helm/legs/gloves left only, fankriss shoulders, conq bp, DN bracers, twin emps belt, DN boots for the rest.
Oh and obviously, with this kind of gear, you look like a tool. Especially the shoulders... lvl 24 leather shoulders graphics 4TW ^^
I do have imp shield block and 8/8. I plan on switching to 2/8 dreadnaught and 6/8 wrath when i get my bracers and boots. but untell than. i would like the 4 parry because it helps a lot more than 10 life i would think
Seriously, as stated above it's nowhere near 4% parry.
Oh yea those too, but they're not really better no
Wrath:535armor,20stamina 1%parry, 7defense
Steadfast gloves:535armor,20stamina, 19agi, 9defense
So you can directly compare 19agi + 2defense to 1%parry
19agi is 0.95%dodge, 2defense is 0.08%dodge parry and miss, so 0.24%avoidance, so total is 1.19% avoidance.
Steadfast are erm, 0.19% better than wrath on total avoidance... Bit better but barely an improvement, and not worth breaking 8/8wrath for
Oh and Wrath is definitely not 4% parry, it's closer to 1.5-2%, depending on attack speed, and can go lower than that too. So unless you can get about 2%avoidance more on one piece of gear, usually it's better to keep 8/8wrath. As I said before tho, once you get 2pieces, it should be better than the wrath bonus.
Add to that it's a triggered buff and could knock off a flask if your tank is a fan of consumables
Uhh... you can't knock off buffs. The game will only display 16 buffs but they are still active if not displayed AFAIK.
Well, flasks can't be knocked off anymore as of 1.12, but this is completely false (I do like the "No WoW Account" yet correcting others, BTW). It's been discussed at great length on these forums and others. You have 32 buff slots but stuff like defensive stance and every item enchant you have take up individual, invisible buff slots. And if you go over 32 including those, important things will instantly vanish.
08/31/06, 2:23 AM
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