Blocked critical attacks possible?

polocabbit · 08/31/06, 11:54 PM

So I'm in naxx right now and something really interesting just happened...

Can anyone explain to me how this is possible?

Ultramax · 08/31/06, 11:58 PM

Mob to player mechanics are not the same as player to mob.

polocabbit · 08/31/06, 11:59 PM

But I thought by using shield block to increase your block rate, it woudl also push off the chance the mob could crit/crushing blow you or something from the hit table.

Rane · 09/01/06, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by polocabbit

But I thought by using shield block to increase your block rate, it woudl also push off the chance the mob could crit/crushing blow you or something from the hit table.

Originally Posted by Ultramax

Mob to player mechanics are not the same as player to mob.

Yea...

polocabbit · 09/01/06, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Rane

Originally Posted by polocabbit

But I thought by using shield block to increase your block rate, it woudl also push off the chance the mob could crit/crushing blow you or something from the hit table.

Originally Posted by Ultramax

Mob to player mechanics are not the same as player to mob.

Yea...

Wow nevermind, I totally read that wrong. I could've SWORE it said I blocked an attack =\ 4 hours of sleep ftl. Can you shit heap this for me Gurgthock?

Gwaihir · 09/01/06, 12:10 AM

Mob block has to function slightly different than player block. I don't know entirely how, but that is the only thing it can be. Mobs can also block ranged attacks, for what it's worth.

I've tested with a warrior and shield block, and while players can block ranged as well, it does not work as it should. Namely, with over 100% block, you don't actually block the shot. 100% of the time.

Screenshots (pardon the old messy UI):

polocabbit · 09/01/06, 12:15 AM

yeah, when I originally read my combat log I could've swore I had blocked the attack, but I reread it.

I remember reading a thread a while ago where a warrior used recklessness on another warrior who was spamming shield block and in his combat log it showed a blocked crit. I believe they said something about overlapping hit tables or something.

psychaotic · 09/01/06, 12:15 AM

Players can block ranged attacks too, which can be mildly entertaining when blocking an arrow proc's 8-piece wrath to sit there for awhile.

Xard · 09/01/06, 12:42 AM

well player to player is also not the same as player to mob. Players do not dodge from behind, for instance.

Bolche · 09/01/06, 2:33 AM

I think you can block special attacks crits.

Duel a rogue and let him spam SS from front, I think you will parry some SS crit (but never his white damage crit)

zepi · 09/01/06, 3:28 AM

Originally Posted by Gwaihir

I've tested with a warrior and shield block, and while players can block ranged as well, it does not work as it should. Namely, with over 100% block, you don't actually block the shot. 100% of the time.

Could it be, that shieldblock gives a multiplicative increase to block% instead of a steady?

Like if you have 30% block from gear and 75% block from shieldblock you'd still have 0,7*0,25 = 0.175 change not to block?

Like the new thread reduction multiplication system.

edit: 0.175 is the correct value for not to block... sorry for typo.

Gwaihir · 09/01/06, 3:33 AM

Well, I was certainly testing this before the threat changes, but I suppose that is possible. More likely it is just some fucked up mechanic in the combat system that has never been fixed. (Blocks with ranged attacks, that is.)

pinkius · 09/02/06, 2:00 PM

Originally Posted by polocabbit

yeah, when I originally read my combat log I could've swore I had blocked the attack, but I reread it.

I remember reading a thread a while ago where a warrior used recklessness on another warrior who was spamming shield block and in his combat log it showed a blocked crit. I believe they said something about overlapping hit tables or something.

If a player hits shield block and has 100% to block, he HAS to block the next attack..but if lets say a rogue just hit cold blood and has 100% chance to crit, he HAS to crit. If that rogue hits that warrior, it gets blocked and it crits. That's the only time it happens, when both people have 100% chance to crit/block because yeah, their tables basically overlap.

heel · 09/02/06, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by pinkius

Originally Posted by polocabbit

yeah, when I originally read my combat log I could've swore I had blocked the attack, but I reread it.

I remember reading a thread a while ago where a warrior used recklessness on another warrior who was spamming shield block and in his combat log it showed a blocked crit. I believe they said something about overlapping hit tables or something.

If a player hits shield block and has 100% to block, he HAS to block the next attack..but if lets say a rogue just hit cold blood and has 100% chance to crit, he HAS to crit. If that rogue hits that warrior, it gets blocked and it crits. That's the only time it happens, when both people have 100% chance to crit/block because yeah, their tables basically overlap.

Pretty sure this is incorrect - afaik, there's only one table, and block populates it before anything else. If Cold Blood just sets a rogue's critical chance to 100%, the hit should be blocked and NOT crit against a warrior with 100% block. I would certainly like to see a screenshot showing otherwise if you have one, though.

xarg · 09/02/06, 9:16 PM

This has been gone over so many times that it's pretty old now. Yes, it is possible in pvp and when a player is hitting an enemy for crits to be blocked. It's been proven and demonstrated time and time again.

Shield block causing a lack of crits/crushing blows is the exception, not the rule. In all other cases, it's possible.