Damage Meter mods: Which do you use? - Page 2

altairian · 09/01/06, 5:31 AM

Damagemeters 5.0 (or the version linked above which is updated for 1.12 syncing functionality) has a TON of things that it tracks. I'd have to log in to list everything, but I think it's pretty safe to say if there's a stat you could possibly track with a meter for a raid, damagemeters can do it now. The one thing it lacks that SW stats has, I believe, is the ability to spy on specific players and get detailed information about only what that player does.
I'm a simple kind of guy, and damagemeters works pretty well for me, I can't really think of anything more I'd want out of the mod that it's missing, now that it tracks overheal, effective healing, debuffs cured, and stuff like that.

Zerianne · 09/01/06, 6:18 AM

Yes, Recap counts all failed attacks (dodge, miss, block, parry) as a "miss". For a while I thought my +hit gear wasn't working because my missrate was so high, but that's just the 5%ish dodgerate plus random parries thrown in. Other than that, Recap is hands down the best for tracking your personal stats, just because of its UI. I really wish SWS had the same kind of UI. The 'views' are neat, but just don't compare. Of course, Recap does not sync and is not suitable for a raid meter. I know there's some hacks floating around, but meh.

I mostly moved to SWS because everyone in the guild did. I stubbornly used DamageMeters until I noticed I was one of the only people in the sync channel, so I figured it was time to let it go. It's okay. It's got some cool/innovative stuff, but the UI is a little buggy and less than friendly, especially with regards to the syncing features. I'm hoping 2.0 is a big improvement (and also, hopefully, uses the builtin addon channel).

Drauk · 09/01/06, 7:23 AM

Damagemeters 5.0 with extended combat log range is way better than SWStats, and you don't even need to sync it.

Maledict · 09/01/06, 7:26 AM

SWstats. The ability to select a single player and see a breakdown of what abilities they used, who they healed, where they did damage, how they did damage - that's priceless, and now I can do it I couldn;t imagine not being able to see that stuff.

You can do that with the combat log, but tbh its so much faster and easier with SWstats.

issei · 09/01/06, 7:30 AM

what i really dislike is how swstats forces you to track overall raid data if that's what everyone else is doing. i want to be able to monitor two sets: last fight, and overall. so for now, i use damagemeters to track individual fights, recap for my individual performance (+epeen dps count), and at the end of a run, i ask one of the other officers for an overall meter.

Northerner · 09/01/06, 7:39 AM

Again though, is it really a big performance hit to /combatlog on for most people? I've been chatlogging and combatlogging for the last seven years or so and in no game has it really given me a problem in terms of performance. And no, I don't really run a rig from hell...

Honestly, writing even a large amount of text is still a trivial amount of data these days.

Northerner · 09/01/06, 7:42 AM

Originally Posted by Drauk

Damagemeters 5.0 with extended combat log range is way better than SWStats, and you don't even need to sync it.

This however interests me. The delta to the combat log was a new thing to me this week, and certainly will change my evaluation of some mods.

SWS still has a lot of very nice features though and I get off on some of them... oh well.

Manabar · 09/01/06, 7:50 AM

Originally Posted by Drauk

Damagemeters 5.0 with extended combat log range is way better than SWStats, and you don't even need to sync it.

Does it have all of the break down abilities that SWStats has? I seem to look at DPS and healing breakdowns more so than the raw dps/healing.

kharen · 09/01/06, 8:29 AM

The one thing [DamageMeters 5] lacks that SW stats has, I believe, is the ability to spy on specific players and get detailed information about only what that player does.

It can do that, but not in the same way - just turn on parsing for all events, then mouse over a player and hold ctrl (or possibly alt, i can't remember the default key bind, since it's possible to set the detailed breakdown as the default, which i've done since i first discovered it). And it's just a textual breakdown, not a graph, if you're picking about that sort of thing.

Not sure if it can track healing recieved and such like to the same extent as SW Stats though, as i mainly use it for keeping an eye on what our rogues are doing.

Drauk · 09/01/06, 8:30 AM

Originally Posted by Manabar

Does it have all of the break down abilities that SWStats has? I seem to look at DPS and healing breakdowns more so than the raw dps/healing.

Of course. And you don't need to setup a separate pane for that, just hold Ctrl over somebody's bar and you'll see breakdown of spell/abilities.

lossendil · 09/01/06, 8:30 AM

It's not an in-game tool, but have a look at Wow Web Stats : http://www.lossendil.fr

An example of generated reports : http://lossendil.free.fr/recaps/wws-demo-1/

Another one with the future(still beta) look : http://www.lossendil.fr/misc/wws-0702-2136/
And another feature I'm working on

If there's a feature or a stat that's not in WWS yet, just go the the forums http://www.lossendil.fr/forum and I'll add it soon

Maskirovka · 09/01/06, 8:44 AM

Originally Posted by issei

what i really dislike is how swstats forces you to track overall raid data if that's what everyone else is doing. i want to be able to monitor two sets: last fight, and overall. so for now, i use damagemeters to track individual fights, recap for my individual performance (+epeen dps count), and at the end of a run, i ask one of the other officers for an overall meter.

I hated that about SWS also. Fortunately, SWS 2.0 is designed to let you track exactly what data you want. For example (if i'm reading his explanation correctly), you can record warrior and rogue DPS separately, yet report them together. Hopefully the interface he designs will make it easy to actually use.

http://forums.sw-stats.com/viewtopic.php?t=10

I was using both DM and SWS until 1.12. For now I've ditched SWS and until 2.0 comes out, I'm back to using DM only.

Rogar · 09/01/06, 8:56 AM

edit: beaten to it

Chupa · 09/01/06, 9:32 AM

Originally Posted by Northerner

Again though, is it really a big performance hit to /combatlog on for most people? I've been chatlogging and combatlogging for the last seven years or so and in no game has it really given me a problem in terms of performance. And no, I don't really run a rig from hell...

Honestly, writing even a large amount of text is still a trivial amount of data these days.

Er, no, but I'd be willing to bet that 99% of people want to see it on the fly, rather than parsing a text file after the fact.

subscience · 09/01/06, 10:48 AM

We also use SWStats.