It scales way to well. 6 expansions from now people will be begging me to go kill broodlord for their warrior alts to grab it.

Cleary the hp restored/added needs to be capped at something resonable like 1500.

Lifegiving gem is indeed a fairly precious trinket. So versatile.

A cap is quite warranted, if only because it makes it possible to create a better trinket under the same premise in an expansion or two.

I thought of the same thing when Fetish of the Sand Reaver dropped the other day. This kind of trinkets will be very handy in the expansion(s).

There's a bigger issue here. All percentage bonuses like +hit, +crit, +dodge, +defense, etc, obviously have caps on how high they can ever go. Once you hit +18% hit vs level 63 mobs, that's it, more +hit is useless. While crit and the others could eventually be taken to 100% from gear, I don't think Blizzard ever intends to do that. Sure, they could keep putting out gear with ever increasing crit/dodge/etc, and maybe hit 75% crit by the very last expansion in five years. But my guess is that Blizzard intends to keep the top-end gear consistently around 30% crit for rogues, 20% dodge for tanks, and similar levels in other stats to what they are with Naxx gear now. The real scaling stats will be stamina, AP, +damage/healing as we've been seeing. If you're familiar with the itemization formulas and costs, then you realize that crit currently costs a fixed amount, but provides an effect that scales with level. If the cost of one point of crit remains the same for higher-level items, then those items will have more crit (maybe a 4% crit blackhand's) and you get out-of-control crit values. If the cost scales with level to match the expected effect that one point of crit gives you, then the level 70 blue crit trinket will be the exact same as the level 60 blue crit trinket...2% crit. One solution is to avoid pure percentage items like that, and always mix percent bonuses with flat bonuses, like ap and crit, or spell damage and spell crit. But there are a few pure-percentage trinkets in Naxx (Kiss of the Spider, Eye of Diminution), so maybe my prediction about consistent crit levels is wrong and we'll see level 70 rogues with 40% crit rates.

So as far as Lifegiving Gem goes, I don't think the solution is nerfing this particular trinket, but overhauling the whole system to fix the bigger problem, which is something they're probably doing in the expansion.

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Yep- as I mentioned in a previous thread- will there ever be a better PvP trinket for rogues than Renataki's? Ever?

So incredibly glad I begged my guild until we got mine.

On a similar note, with it scaling perfectly, and with the new TBC rogue talents, I predict Venemous Totem will suddenly get some demand now.

I think Shiv can take care of all poisoning needs tbh. Why rely on chance still and occupy a trinket slot with a Venomous Totem?

Yeah, but if you perform a proper stunlock, your enemy isn't going anywhere or doing anything and poisons are irrelevant.

Unless you're 41 Assassination, and rely on Mutilate and Disembowel, both of which require poisons on the target to work effectively.

The Energy cost is high, but the way I read Shiv is it will do full off-hand damage, and have the poison proc. Not something to spam, but it is useful.


LGG and MQG are very good, but since the rest of the trinkets are poor and have a long cooldown I think they are fine as is.

I'd agree there needs to be a cap on the gem but I wouldn't make it that low, come the expansion you're going to need something that can restore a good chunk of your HP as a tank that isn't a potion, maybe 3000-5000 In that region I'd say.