Why are you derailing a thread about substantive math on hunters to discuss a rumored leaked change from TBC that may have no basis in reality, and may not make it to release if it does?

(PS: Don't.)

I can think of a couple reasons. For one, Lactose's formulas are pretty well known by hunters. Secondly, all the possible gear and where it stands in terms of DPS, crit chance, and for spec vs. spec is pretty much already known. No new content until BC, right? So, while we have no definate news on how hunters will be at 70, it would still be interesting to take a mathamatical look the fake items and rumors. Going through the math to see where we'll end up, while an exercise in futility, at least gives us something to do while we wait for actual news.

I personnally wouldn't mind seeing some new formulas based on the supposed talents and the AP/AGI rumors, just to see how much DPS we can expect to be doing at 60 with say Ash.

because 1. I didn't want to waste people's time with a new post, and 2. I lay awake thinking about it for a quite tragic length of time this morning.

Hmm… I did a small change in calculation +Ranged skill.

I will also start updating a BC spreadsheet. I’ll add onto it when more things are confirmed. For now, I only changed the value of 1 AGI to 1 RAP and changed the AGI/CRIT to 33. I also increased all ranged weapon DPS by 10%. Please, keep in mind none of this stuff has been confirmed yet and there is a possibility that the current cycle may longer apply in the expansion.

Good idea on having a seperate spreadsheet for the current TBC Hunter changes.

I also suspect the current Aimed/Multi rotation will change, but hopefully by the end of the week there will be an answer.

If you haven't looked already there are new versions of every applicable skill, multi, aimed, arcane, aspect of the hawk, all up at curse gaming. I linked them in a post which escapes me at the moment, but there are also a bunch of pet skills so it may be feasible to create a hunter + pet dps spreadsheet of somekind

I'm still getting incorrect values from the Stat Damage Ratio box (I've sent you an email with a saved spreadsheet - hope you don't mind) with equal sets of gear. Oddly enough, it only appears to happen on Set-B when I'm using a survival spec to do calculations with. The Set-A survival build appears to work (save some buffing issues I mention below).

Also, I've done some additional "playing" and it appears that if you add a buff like Leader of the Pack to the custom buffed list, it devalues the value, in AP, of +1 crit. It doesn't seem to me that adding raw crit % would change this equivalence of +1 crit = agi = AP at all. A similar result is happening with mongoose pots. Blessing of Kings also causes the value to go down, but I think you mentioned previously that you were still working on that.

Occasionally I was getting negative numbers for the custom buffed section of the +1 crit -> AP equivalence, and I believe it has something to do with the way you're calculating in Furious Howl. I did the following scenario :

Full strikers w/ complimentary CS set pieces, blackhand's breadth, kiss of the spider, master dragonslayer's ring, bronze signet ring (E), talisman of connivery, barb of the sand reaver, huhuran's stinger, and thorium arrows. I also used the default enchants for each piece.

I unchecked all the buffs in the custom buff section save AotH and TSA (I was using standard marks spec without surefooted), to make the self buffed = custom buffed. After I did this, I checked Furious Howl, and I got a nevative value for the agility and AP equivalence of +1 crit.

The DPS of the custom buffed version went up slightly (as expected), but as I said, the Stat Damage Ratio seems a little horked.

Thanks for all the hard work! The spreadsheet looks so pretty :D

according to your spreadsheet, with full cryptstalker, going from ash'jrethul to nerubian slavemaker is only an 8-10 dps increase. this seems...off to me :-P

Should be more like 30, if my math is right.

According to the 3.1 spreadsheet released here, Full Crypt, swapping XBoS and NS as 5/31/15, was about 28 dps difference with Optimal DPS and Self-Buffed.

Possibly 3.1->3.12 equation change that broke that?

I got a 23.6 dps increase with buffs and a 29 dps increase unbuffed. Did you look at the clipped cycle? That one is lower dps.

Phlis: If you have any information to the new spells and such, just post the link and I’ll and it onto the list.
I have thought about adding pets to the spreadsheet but then I realized that they can be affected by glancing blows, dodges and parries. They also have their own focus regeneration. I don’t understand melee enough to add pets, sorry :(

Zurai: Spiffy, I’ll change the ranged weapons to 20%.

KraJee: I think I have finally fixed the problem. Somewhere in the math page, it was using a value from the wrong column. I also fixed Furious Howl and added kings and LR, thanks. As for the AP values getting lower. That does not mean they are less valuable. It actually means the value is increasing as you get more critical strike. The closer something gets to 1:1 with crit, the better! (I think… my head hurts :blink:)

Elendril: Hmm… I tried putting in the values myself and I got 28.4 DPS unbuffed and 29.99 DPS custom buffed.

Thanks for the input so far, everyone!

It still cracks me up that the single biggest 1 item upgrade for me is to stop being a cheapskate & use thorium or icethreaded ammo =(

http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewt...hp?id=8181&p=6

Not everything is a hunter skill, but aimed, multi, arcane, Aspect of the Hawk, TSA, and even Volley, along with the new ranks of Bite, Claw, Scropid Poison, Charge, etc.

Hefty update today:
I finally got around to adding ranged weapon classifications (Bow, Crossbow, and Gun) as well as the Dwarf and Troll racial +5. It will be shown under Set-A/B and only if their racial is the same as the chosen ranged weapon’s class. I also renamed “Necklace of Kel’Thuzad†to “Stormrage’s Talisman of Seething.â€

In the Burning Crusader spreadsheet, I added new ranks of spells and buffs. Keep in mind that none of the data is official yet and most likely data mined. Also, note that these are 62+ spells on a level 60 character. The values used were:
Aimed Shot VII: +870 Damage, 350 Mana
Multi Shot VI: +205 Damage, 275 Mana
Raptor Strike: +170 Damage
Aspect of the Hawk: 155 RAP
Trueshot Aura: 125 R/AP

Enjoy!

Hi,

I would love to download this spreadsheet and use it a bit, but for some reason the link just doesn't seem to work for me.

Thank you.

Hm, looks like Quickdump.com is down completely. I'll try adding a mirror on Filefront.

http://files.filefront.com/Calculati.../fileinfo.html
http://files.filefront.com/Calculati.../fileinfo.html

First of all, I gotta say that this sheet was my favorite for comparing builds and gear specs. Great work!

Do you (or anyone else) have the intentions of updating it for the 2.0/TBC values and mechanics? I thought about just doing this myself by tweaking the item values based on the data on thottbot.com/beta, but I am fairly certain that there is some math involved that I don't have a comprehensive understanding of.

With the new arcane shot (and eventual steady shot) it seems pretty clear that the old Lactose shot cycle is no longer applicable and ranged weapons will need to be calculated differently. Is there really even a "shot cycle" anymore? What about clipping? (I've just been spamming max rank Arcane and Multi rank 1 whenever they are up).

Please let me know if anyone is updating this or give me some pointers on updating it myself.

Thanks!!!